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Condescending. Very nice and expected. I guess the one I haven't heard you as you attempt to mock. Is what would you do?

It's something... it's a start.

110% right. And I do feel better now. :-)

That move and others SAVES the company billions of dollars. So YES it does help.

I have owned nothing but GM. Never really had any major problems. Normal wear and tear. Just bought a Suburban. Love it!!

what a dumb post

It's my patriotic duty to support... and buy things. hahahahaha

I almost spit out my drink on that one. Very funny.

I believe those benefits covered by the UAW will funded by their own investments.

At least the union is making an effort... cutting salaries and health care

It saves the company billions of dollars. Would you rather they do nothing. People blame the unions, but when they make concessions and do something. Not good enough. Also i have always said... loan or bail out the big 3. But change has to come with the money.

From CNN in regards to the Big 3 and unions. Unions - The UAW recently made significant concessions that should save GM, Ford and Chrysler a lot of money in the long run. The union allowed Detroit automakers to pay newly hired workers less per hour than previously hired employees. It also agreed to take over the cost of retiree health care provided the automakers paid lump sums into an investment fund to cover the costs.

I have always bought GM vehicles... always liked them.

Something has to be done. I am more worried about the million or so workers that will be possibly out of work.

I agree with not just handing them money. Things do need to change and change fast. Although, I guess it was good to throw money at AIG. I do believe that there needs to be a major change in leadership for the three companies. I would love to see them trim down the lines and maybe have GM absorb Chrysler. That would just be the tippy top of what needs to be done.

In your opinion

Nice Post.

What does the average worker at a toyota plant make? Inferior product... maybe a few years ago or longer. Talk about subsidies... look at what Walmart gets and they are not unionized.

Again those damn unions. HAHAHAHAHA!!!

So let the market knock them into bankruptcy and who cares about the workers. That will show the bad managers that they suck.

I never saw that post. Very funny.

You are still full of piss and vinegar towards him huh? hehehehehehe

Interesting thing to note is that the UAW has already reworked the health care benefits for retirees. I am sure that they would rework active members if the company had some sort of retooling with it's management.

First off I have acknowledged plenty of times that there is a problem with the union contracts, that problem is the rising cost of health care. Control that and you will help out many companies. Union and non-union. Fact is that the UAW revised health care agreement that comes into play in 2010 will save the company billions. And that is just for retirees. See, revise health care plans - save money. It's a shame that you will continually blame the union and worker and never set blame on management. They are rewarded for bad decisions and the workers get screwed or told that it's their fault because they have a union contract. Lavish union benefits.... yes a PPO, hopefully a pension plan (which in many cases aren't part of the contract these days) and fair wages. How horrible is that. Damn them for having a good medical plan... a PPO plan that many people have in other industries. So your plan is to let them all go bankrupt? Ok to bail out companies like AIG who spends money recklessly and then just keeps asking for money. Come on, they WASTED hundreds of thousands of dollars on a retreat and think nothing of it. And do not even apologize for wasting the funds given. It's ok that $108 billion of the first $125 billion was reserved to pay for compensation and bonuses? But do not bail out the big three. Makes sense to me. With all of that being said... I will tell every union person I know in the UAW that you say they have it great.

Really... their health care is usually an average PPO. Most people have that coverage. All companies are seeing ridiculous increases. You don't see that? And really you can't completely blame the union. I have said many times, dig deeper look at what is causing the contract costs to go up. 99% of the time it would health care costs and pension plans. Do you see fault in the CEO's? I think it's complete BS and a waste time to just jump on the "blame the union" bandwagon. Again, dig deeper. In regards to quality. Yes, years ago some foreign cars were better. Not truly the case these days. Sorry for your father to always have problems. I have driven nothing but GM cars - never had problems.