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Wow, because they only speak Spanish means that they are illegal?

So it looks like the democrats are still paying attention to spanish speaking people whereas the republicans still ignore them?

It seems to me that maybe, just MAYBE the first part of the stimulus had an effect on the economy. Slowing it down or better yet, getting things to slowly move in the right direction. Oh and people have given up looking for a job? Doubt that. The American people by in large have pride and will earn their money... provide for their families.

Did I say that I didn't have a problem with that? No. Dumb advertising just fuels the fire. And lets face it, most of them are angry mobs. If people are wearing Swastikas aren't they in favor of Nazi beliefs? I missed that quote from Nancy. And yes, Beck and Limbaugh are way out of line - only doing it for the ratings. Especially Beck... he needs them. In regards to the SEIU guy... he's still an a-hole for fighting over flags.

That is true. Hard to listen on either side whether it be a person punching you or an angry mob yelling at you. Everyone needs to stop and take a breath. I wish these dumb ass talking heads would think about the mentality of the people who listen to them and take every word seriously. Dear god Beck and Limbaugh now calling Obama a Nazi. Just disgusting.

I don't condone and no union condones violence. People have to learn to how to listen and discuss. No one side is always right. I am wondering though, the guy... doesn't matter what color his skin is... was beaten up for ONLY selling flags? Nothing was said?

And the mobs continue... so much for civil discourse. America is going down a bad path these days. Union officials continued to receive a barrage of threats on Friday evening and into Saturday punctuated by warnings that if organizers were sent to counter-demonstrate at health care town halls they would be met with violence. An official with the AFL-CIO, a federation of labor organizations, passed on what he described as a "pretty direct threat" to those union hands who were showing up to balance out anti-Obama demonstrations being waged at local Democratic forums. "I will be going to a local town hall this weekend, all you union members BEWARE!" an emailer wrote at 9:40 Saturday morning. "We will be waiting for you. better make sure you have arrangements with your local ER. today is the day when the goon meets the gun. see you there." The email was first sent to the media-watching organization Newshounds before being passed to Eddie Vale, a spokesman for the AFL-CIO. The IP address used to post the email was traced back to Georgia. The AFL-CIO isn't the only labor organization to be on the receiving end of threats of violence. During a day in which a woman called up its national office threatening to use her Second Amendment rights should her First Amendment rights be repressed, officials at the Service Employees International Union continued to be deluged with emails and phone calls with ominous undertones. An official with the SEIU said she had received 50 such emails, including the following one, which was edited to make suitable for publication. You socialist f---s have the nerve to say stop the violence at the town hall meetings when they weren't violent until you p---ies showed up because your n----- leader obama said to?????? When we have ours in Racine, Wi, I want you there. I want one of your little b----- to put his hands on this Marine. I want one of you to look or talk to me wrong. I'll be the last thing your ignorant faux body guards will remember for a very long time. You can f---ing guarantee that. The escalating language and threats have caused union officials to grow increasingly worried about the possibility of serious violence at these town hall gatherings. On Thursday, a scuffle broke out outside a town hall in St. Louis, resulting in the arrest of an SEIU official and the injury of several participants. That same evening a near riot erupted in Tampa Bay after union hands tried to prevent an overflowing crowd from storming a town hall gathering. Lawmakers, too, are feeling the heat to keep these forums civil. A reader initialed B.W. wrote the Huffington Post that during a town hall in Plymouth, Indiana, Rep. Joe Donnelly, (D-Ind.) was forced to try out alternative measures to keep the interruptions and demonstrations at a minimum. "Instead of addressing the crowd and taking questions, his staff had every one fill out a card with a number and he met with people face to face," the reader wrote. "There were more people than time but at least 32 people spoke directly to him out of earshot of the rest of the crowd. The event had people with differing views on health care but remained very respectful. It was encouraging."

Translation study the bill before you make the wrong claims. Also, even though there is Free Speech... have some respect for others.

Free Speech Gone Wild by Dave Ross http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=611203&nid=524

Give me a break. Bottom line is that these people whether they disagree or not will not and should not be listened to with their actions. Learn to be civil and respect those people who have different feelings/opinions than you do. THEN people will listen to you. Was that to goonish for you? Should I have said just spit on them or break their legs?

Yes, I am complete goon. Typical response from someone who knows nada... label every union person as a goon. Moron. So you had a problem with that ONE union person (a-hole) at that event. I agree with you, that ONE person was an a-hole. Do you have a problem with these groups of people being a-holes?

Oh and have a blessed day and weekend.

Yeah, McCain and others were great choices too!! I do love the I am on the right side of the aisle and I know everything mentality. Keep it coming, better yet... bang on doors and scream it at people.

If it wasn't for the Mets everything would be fine.

Were the union goons yelling, screaming and banging on the doors until they were ushered in? Why weren't you mad the last eight years?

Ok. Have fun!!!

It was funny. Have a great day.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :worthy: :worthy:

That republicans leaders and SOME of their followers are doing anything they can to disrupt, mislead and in many cases to avoid debate to find a middle ground? Yes. Do I believe in the complete health care package that is being thrown out there now? No. Do we need some sort of reform? Yes. Who knows what the end of this may be, but something needs to be done. And the ONLY way to do that will be by sitting down at the table and talking it over. This mob mentality has got to stop.

Republicans Propagating Falsehoods in Attacks on Health-Care Reform By Steven Pearlstein Friday, August 7, 2009 Washington Post As a columnist who regularly dishes out sharp criticism, I try not to question the motives of people with whom I don't agree. Today, I'm going to step over that line. The recent attacks by Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers on the effort to reform the health-care system have been so misleading, so disingenuous, that they could only spring from a cynical effort to gain partisan political advantage. By poisoning the political well, they've given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They've become political terrorists, willing to say or do anything to prevent the country from reaching a consensus on one of its most serious domestic problems. There are lots of valid criticisms that can be made against the health reform plans moving through Congress -- I've made a few myself. But there is no credible way to look at what has been proposed by the president or any congressional committee and conclude that these will result in a government takeover of the health-care system. That is a flat-out lie whose only purpose is to scare the public and stop political conversation. Under any plan likely to emerge from Congress, the vast majority of Americans who are not old or poor will continue to buy health insurance from private companies, continue to get their health care from doctors in private practice and continue to be treated at privately owned hospitals. The centerpiece of all the plans is a new health insurance exchange set up by the government where individuals, small businesses and eventually larger businesses will be able to purchase insurance from private insurers at lower rates than are now generally available under rules that require insurers to offer coverage to anyone regardless of health condition. Low-income workers buying insurance through the exchange -- along with their employers -- would be eligible for government subsidies. While the government will take a more active role in regulating the insurance market and increase its spending for health care, that hardly amounts to the kind of government-run system that critics conjure up when they trot out that oh-so-clever line about the Department of Motor Vehicles being in charge of your colonoscopy. ad_icon There is still a vigorous debate as to whether one of the insurance options offered through those exchanges would be a government-run insurance company of some sort. There are now less-than-even odds that such a public option will survive in the Senate, while even House leaders have agreed that the public plan won't be able to piggy-back on Medicare. So the probability that a public-run insurance plan is about to drive every private insurer out of business -- the Republican nightmare scenario -- is approximately zero. By now, you've probably also heard that health reform will cost taxpayers at least a trillion dollars. Another lie. First of all, that's not a trillion every year, as most people assume -- it's a trillion over 10 years, which is the silly way that people in Washington talk about federal budgets. On an annual basis, that translates to about $140 billion, when things are up and running. Even that, however, grossly overstates the net cost to the government of providing universal coverage. Other parts of the reform plan would result in offsetting savings for Medicare: reductions in unnecessary subsidies to private insurers, in annual increases in payments rates for doctors and in payments to hospitals for providing free care to the uninsured. The net increase in government spending for health care would likely be about $100 billion a year, a one-time increase equal to less than 1 percent of a national income that grows at an average rate of 2.5 percent every year. The Republican lies about the economics of health reform are also heavily laced with hypocrisy. While holding themselves out as paragons of fiscal rectitude, Republicans grandstand against just about every idea to reduce the amount of health care people consume or the prices paid to health-care providers -- the only two ways I can think of to credibly bring health spending under control. When Democrats, for example, propose to fund research to give doctors, patients and health plans better information on what works and what doesn't, Republicans sense a sinister plot to have the government decide what treatments you will get. By the same wacko-logic, a proposal that Medicare pay for counseling on end-of-life care is transformed into a secret plan for mass euthanasia of the elderly. Government negotiation on drug prices? The end of medical innovation as we know it, according to the GOP's Dr. No. Reduce Medicare payments to overpriced specialists and inefficient hospitals? The first step on the slippery slope toward rationing. Can there be anyone more two-faced than the Republican leaders who in one breath rail against the evils of government-run health care and in another propose a government-subsidized high-risk pool for people with chronic illness, government-subsidized community health centers for the uninsured, and opening up Medicare to people at age 55? Health reform is a test of whether this country can function once again as a civil society -- whether we can trust ourselves to embrace the big, important changes that require everyone to give up something in order to make everyone better off. Republican leaders are eager to see us fail that test. We need to show them that no matter how many lies they tell or how many scare tactics they concoct, Americans will come together and get this done. If health reform is to be anyone's Waterloo, let it be theirs. :worthy:

Organized mob.. not so much. However, many times do have that mob mentality. Lets scream at people until they go away... don't hear them out. Hell, some people don't even have any information, they are just following the group, the GOP. Just to scream at them. I know that people on both sides of the aisle are not happy, but we have to come together and get crap taken care of instead of the partisan bickering. I look at it this way... we do need health care reform. No doubt. However, it needs to be cost effective, which right now it doesn't look that way. Health care costs from coverage to prescription costs have gone through the roof and something should be done. I know people that were in good paying jobs, loved their place of work, but had to leave because the health insurance cost to cover their family (which had to be paid out 100% of their own pocket) was draining over $1,000 per month from their account. Again, sad.

No, who are you?

Let them travel by Greyhound

Same reason why the White House under Bush kept so many things secret.