i guess it just depends on who you talk to.
My contention was just saying that I have an agenda when I don't. They way I remember Cutler and McDaniels was McDaniels, tried to get cassel, then couldn't and tried to mend things with Jay. Instead of being a pro, Cutler cried til he was traded.
I don't remember the circumstances of Shanny, maybe it was the cap but he also put Cutler in instead of Jake Plummer and proceeded to miss the playoffs which I'm sure didn't help ole Shanny