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Holy shcit there's a lot of wrong, and a lot of right in this exchange. I will fix the wrong. If I don't say anything about something that's because it's right. First bolded: That when is now. Not only have I done that, I've done you 2 better. First, the notion that all of you think the same, or were all trained the same, is utter garbage, and I proved that 10 years ago. So, beginning any design with "how medical professionals have been taught to think", is homogenous, is crap. Rather we begin with how you, and only you, are thnking, right now. That's 1 better. 2 better is that you can change your mind/how you think, with 0 consequences. EVERY other software in this world, custom or cookie press, costs you $ and/or makes you wait for the next version to change your thinking. And often the new version F's with the way you liked things. We do none of that, ever. 2nd bolded: I did exactly that, for 3 years, nights and weekends before I designed a single thing. I smelled the poop, and saw the blood. I volunteered in whatever capacity got me near the care. I filled out forms I'm not supposed to fill out, and I even passed meds one time. I never told them I was really a project manager. I was essentially a candy striper. Good enough? Thus, what you are describing is merely "up to standard" methodology, for the professionally trained enterprise consultant. You don't know that, because you've never seen one. You work in health care. I've been here long enough to start making some moves.. Which means you will see things moving in the direction you've described. They will have to. Hey, I've already turned down 2 offers to buy us out for cash. I've heard about a third one/"offer I can't refuse" coming soon. Too bad for them: I'm not going anywhere, and neither are your(my) ideas about how things sould run in health care. It is they who will have to adapt to us. 3rd bolded: You're using the word AI, but you really mean a properly deployed, persistent workflow and a business rules engine, both of which can be modified in real time, used in conjunction with hand held data recording that tracks every task that is performed for the patient or facility. You want the tasks you care abot delivered when you need them, and nothing else. Already done. And yes, one of it's many capabilities is doing exactly what you describe both here above and below this. We are going to realease a free version of this soon. Can't say when because I won't approve it until I am happy with it, and it's driving everybody(clients, board, employees, family, friends) nuts, but I do not care. They think it's ready now. They do not have my knowledge or expereince. I say it is not. I will blame every single one of you idiots that has been enabling these awful software companies, by buying their crap, instead of demanding better. If you would stop being so penny wise and pound foolish, these problems would have been solved years ago. That's why I'm doing a free version. That takes the final idiot health care excuse away. So, we've already done everything you've asked, and probably better than you have imagined it, and soon you'll have a free version to play around with. The not-AI stuff you are asking about costs $ though, for the simple reason that our time costs $, and listening to your specific needs costs time. But, you still have total control of most things in the free version, if you want to do it yourself. Or, you can pay to have us train you, or just do it for you. The other reason we make you pay for the "AI" stuff is you don't know it, and would probably F everything up. Look I just read an article written by supposed "health care workflow experts" They have no idea WTF they are doing/takling about. I would give you access to the workflow part before them. What's cuter? You have the exact opposite of my thinking defined here. In fact, my sofware worn't run at all unless the user "tells" it what to do. The only compliance we require is some sort of authentication. User/Pass, swipe card/RFID...whatever. After that, it literally begins with a blank page. And it's not engineer. It's Project Manager, Enterprise Technical Architect, CEO, or sir, to you, son. Computers can learn, and therefore, learn from mistakes .Not repeating mistakes is one definition of judgement. Just sayin' Yeah, as I said above. Already done. About to go live for free, and no magic involved. Our "reports" which really aren't, are basically what you would call a search function. We just sorta help you out, passively, like Google search does.

No, that's just how I talk. I take out the "on" from "Come on now", because it seems to work better. Which... Well now I'm not quite sure what that does, makes it better, or worse.

And by don't read my posts, you mean you didn't reply, line by line, here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/175569-michael-moore-douchebag/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3442908 (It's just a few posts above this). How did you reply without reading? Oh, it's you. I forgot. You assume you know more than everybody about everything. That's how you were able to reply line by line without reading....or... did you actually read the post and reply to it? You're now approaching unmitigated moron status. Granted, a first for you. But still...approaching.... Greggy T proving my point....from way down town...bang!

It was one paragraph, and don't make excuses. You're an idiot. Especially since you already know I know history as well, if not better, than you do. And, quit ducking the artillery thing. You've never drawn a bead on anybody in your life with any weapon of any kind direct or indirect. Until you do, don't pretend you know anything about it.

Little Round Top is known, even to the dumbass that watches the movie, for the bayonet charge ordered by Chamberlain. It was one of the best decisions made by any officer in the entire history of the US Army, and is studied as such at West Point. Where, I was 1 of 10 cadets in my entire class to be selected for Advanced History, otherwise known as "The General's class". Thus, your Federal Diety disagrees with your assessment, as I was part of a very elite handful, picked out of an entire class of already elite people, and I sat in the first chair. I know more about history than you will ever know, not because you can't do the reading, but because you can't comprehend the reading. You simply don't possess the analytical ability, as you have demonstrated here, over and over. Funny....all the WW1 footage, all the battle histories that described charging into the trench with the bayonet first, and then switching to hand spikes, shovels, canteens, whatever was available...because you can't fire and reload a bolt-action rifle when the enemy is 1 foot away from you...yeah none of that is real. And, while we are at it, the bayonet played no significant role in the thinking of the Japanese WW2 soldier at all. I mean, an entire culture that reveres the sword, and suddenly you give each pissant rice farmer a chance to be the first in his family, for probably 100s of years, a chance to have a blade, even it if is a small one, and goes on the end of a rifle? Nah....there was no significance to that at all for them. It had no effect on their morale or in indoctrinating them into the bushido mindset. After all, only Samurai have swords, and if I have a bayonet, now I have a sword, so.... And, they never used them. There's a few people in China who might tend to disagree. EDIT: And the Banzai charge? That's a myth. See? You can read about the bayonet, but you will never be able to analyze what you read properly, without somebody like me doing it for you. Wait, so you aren't leaving gatorman to me? And, hey, I already talked about Jackson. Now you are reiterating what I said above, and calling me ignorant?

I said 20k people were F'ing with their records last night, and nowhere do you deny it, in fact you confirm it. So, by definition it cannot be total BS, or even a little bit BS. I didn't ask you about you and a few of your pals. Remind me who is talking about "entire groups", and who is talking about 1 person now? "You don't fall into that category" Oh, I'm fully aware of the peg/hole problem. That's why I designed what I desgined. EHRs have been around since the 1970s, so when exactly does your primetime begin? I know. Period. I have seen the data model of a supposedly "SQL-based" EHR company. They took took their old AS400 database and transferred it directly into SQL. 345 tables, and 2(two) foreign key relatioships? :lol: I know that, because it is obvious to anyone like me. It's always a fun story at the airport bar. Flat files masquerading as a normalized data model. And you dipshits just keep dumping money into it. Hell Obama put $650 million into this crap. No it isn't a far cry at all. When we cut the crap/demographics, etc., medical records are by definition comprised of 3 things: observations, goals and tasks performed in an effort to achieve the goals, then back to observations.. The tasks are performed either as a result of the observation, or, as part of a larger methodology(we always check vitals because we always check vitals). Just like with climate change, nobody wants their observations, goals, or tasks to stand out. Japanese proverb: the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Well, I prefer the American: the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Consider: Where is the squeaky wheel here? Or, why have ALL of the predictive models failed...the same way? Why didn't 1 or 2 get it right? Think about that. No, really think about that. You have to be at least a little bit familiar with statistical analysis. Given a normal distribution, in this case a bunch of supposedly unrelated people who supposedly are all working on their own/in their own team to create their own models, shouldn't we expect at least some of the models to have been accurate, and some of the models to be much worse than the "average"? But they aren't, are they? They all follow the same pattern(I can draw a line on the chart for you), and they all fail the same way. This is not even close to a normal statistical outcome. Why? Once again: behavior. Global Warming team 1 doesn't want to deliver anything that is too different than Global Warming team 2, because if they do? Then there are questions to answer. Explanations required. Nobody wanted to have questions, because "consesus" was the real goal. If they all went into this thinking the same thing/expecting the same outcome? As has been said above: this is merely confidene bias. These people may have not known each other at all. But that doesn't matter, if they began with an expected outcome, and then tried to model for that outcome. It's still a conspiracy. It's just one of thought, instead of the TV show version. The IRS scandal is the same thing: it doesn't matter if direct orders came from the WH. The WH put out the thinking: "Citizens United = bad", and Lois Lerner and the Justice department hag could very easily have acted in support of that thinking all by themselves.

Rather than just call you an idiot, I will attempt to show some of your error. I believe there are more than a few people who would scoff at the bolded. Little Round Top, The Crater are just a few places there the bayonet comes to mind. And, of course, Stonewall Jackson's entire tactical playbook. Not only were bayonets used extensively, near the end, when common sense overtook "honor", and entrenchment/"digging in" became common, there were all sorts of brass knuckle type weapns that were used for close quarters combat to supplement the bayonet. And, it seems you have little understanding of WW1...because the same thing happened there as well.

Yes, and all during the middle age Italian Mercenaries, and Italian warfare in general was all about this. One v one melee combat. Until the King of France came down and...won...with cannon. I would venture to guess that the Neopolitan soldiers who were being torn to pieces weren't thinking about proving who the better warrior was. I'm sure the last thing they were thinking was "F, there goes my leg/head/arm" I'm not talking about the state of mind Paris, or Achilles. I'm talking about winning. Paris won. The rest only matters to people like Joe Buck, You think Hector cared about being dragged behind a chariot? No. He was dead, because he lost. He might have cared before he lost, but he couldn't care after. And, there's stll no difference between a sniper and me calling in artillery. I'm in no danger, the sniper is no danger when we take our shot, both of us are observing the enemy from a long way off, and in both cases the enemy has no idea we are there. IF a sniper is a coward, then so is every single person who has ever called in indirect fire from concealment. I'd like to see Moore call all of us cowards.

Come now, you didn't really think lesbian Asian was a random choice, did you?

So, item #1 on this agenda is: 1. Remove all public funding from "insert your non-white, non-male identity here" studies majors. Not only are they worthless Bachelor of Arts degrees(and when I say worthless, I mean I've literally seen 3 HR ladies with 6 foot high stacks of resumes, aribitrarily tossing all the BAs into a 30-gallon trash can), they provide their recipients with 0 marketable skills....other than working for the government/university/non-profits....whose sole goal in life is to extract money out of the economy via the government, for the sole purpose of propogating the existence of further identity study. We are literally paying these people to not only get a degree(because non-white/non-male means scholarship $), but to waste taxpayer $, for life, so that they can F'ing create more of themselves? How is this even an accredited degree? The study of myself? It's a history major without any rigorous study of history. They can study anything at all, create a thesis about anything, and nobody can judge it, because it's totally subjective == "My experience as a lesbian Asian". What experience? In college? The study of going to college as a lesbian Asian? Where is the rigor in that? Your personal observations of how you are treated being both gay and Asian? That's a f'ing diary, presented as a piece of intellectual work product? GTFO of here. We cannot have lesbian Asians presenting their 4 year diaries, and charging the taxpayer for it. Society gains nothing. Forget identity fraud, this is identity extortion. 2. Somehow, someway force people to understand the concept of "average" when it comes to kids. If some have "above-average" intellect, that means that there are others who are of "average" and "below-average" intellect. That is reality. Self of Steam doesn't change that reality at all. If you are a dumbass, you know it. Making you feel good about being a dumbass doesn't help, it prevents you from accepting that weakness, so you waste time that could be spent finding your strengths. To quote the Incredibles "When everyone is special, no one will be!".Yeah, that plan doesn't work, because both the above and below average kids will act out, either becaue they are bored, or frustrated. All this is about is envy, and the setting of unrealistic expectations....which always ends badly. Accepting your limitations, and finding and focusing on your strengths is the first sign of true maturity. Instead of pretending everyone belongs in the same bucket, we need to get rid of the bucket, spread everybody out, set realistic goals for all and see where each kid takes it. But, we have to keep an eye on things, and remember that people can change. You'll never meet a happier person than one who is fully in touch with exactly who they are, strengths and weaknesses, has accepted both, and plays to their strengths. The miserable do the exact opposite, and the truly miserable never even bother to figure out which is which.

Except the Keystone pipline. Because....it's not "infrastructure", right? If there is a single word I've heard from Ds in my life, it's "infrastructure". "Why do we need to elect Bill Clinton? Infrastructure ":lol: The roads and tunnels and bridges didn't get that way overnight. Rather, I believe most of these things started having their problems during the Clinton Administration....i mean...when I hear "this bridge is 20 years overdue for an overhaul"? Hmmm, let's see now: 2014-20 = 1994! 2 full years into the Presidency of Infrastructure! That makes 6 of those 20 with a D doing nothing. 8 with Bush doing nothing, and now, another 6 with Obama doing nothing. Seems like 12 years of doing nothing, especially when a $1 trillion not-"Keynesian Stimulus" was passed....means a lot more nothing happened with Ds in office. How come we didn't create/raise an infrastructure tax from 2009-2010, when Ds had full control of Congress? Oh, that's right, the borrowed $ stimulus was going to take care of it, right? And, if you know your economics, then you know what happened to the $. It didn't go to "shovel ready jobs", and Obama himself giggled when he admitted that (assclown). It went to the bosses of the poorly run cities in this country to keep their over-extended asses from going bankrupt. There were no multipliers, like "fix Bridge X", which does create jobs, albeit temporary, but that's how a Keynesian stimulus is properly applied: the hope is that the kickstart will encourage investment, and that investment will create permanent jobs. It went to green venture capital like Solyndra. Instead of venture capital funds doing what they do, and rejecting terrible ideas like Solyndra, the government decided that VCs don't know what they are doing/are prejudiced against green businesses. So, they took our money and blew it on one terrible businesss plan after then next! Hooray! A lot of roads and bridges could have been fixed using Solyndra's $ all by itself. Thus, a Keynesian stimulus with no multipliers, and not buying things from existing firms, creating demand, but instead on venture capital, which won't create demand for years, if at all? = A not-Keynsian stimulus. Next, explain to me how the F "infrastructure" just magically appears in the media...like it always has my entire life, whenever the Ds are in trouble/thrown out of power? There's a clear correlation. They need the "infrastructure" spending, so, they can grease the unions, so, the unions will have the $ to mobilize and put them back into power. Well, that's how it's supposd to work. You blow a trillion on nothing, then you want to raise gas taxes.....after this adminstration has been doing all it can to get gas prices as high as possible, as a way to force "change" in vehicles/our driving habits? Gas prices drop, because nobody counted on fracking/natural gas....and suddenly Bam! You want to replace our savings with a tax? WTF? You have to be high. Didn't you and the rest of the Ds just get a historical whipping not 3 months ago? Were you in a coma? Dude, I don't know if you realize it, but people have F'ing had it with Obama and the rest of the far-left Ds, so much so that the only people still in Congress ARE far-left Ds. You can forget your tax. Never gonna happen. You have to earn back out trust after the Obamacare fiasco. Prove that you can do things right for a change, then maybe we'll listen to your next wacky plan. You don't understand DC. Pass a law? Fine. Now, what happens when they pass a new law that says the $ can be used for other things? What it that is part of a larger deal that "everybody" wants or has to vote for? What if it is inserted as an amendment on a completely unrelated bill like military spending? Which R is going to vote against military spending? Which D is going to vote against military spending? (Check the record...Ds talk all kinds of schit about military spending, but most always seem to find the "courage" to vote to keep the base in their district fully funded ) You: "But...but...but...(been a while since we've seen this one, eh?) you promised you'd spend it on infrastructure!" Them: "That was last Congress, and we aren't beholden to them, we are only accountable to the voters in our districts, who put us here, today!" You: "But you were in the same seat you are in now, back then" Them: "You're not getting it, my constituents wanted that then, and they want this now!" Oh, so you got the Keystone thing in there? Nice to see you're not a complete dolt, and recognize that "infrastructure" includes things like pipelines, which are historically the least environmentall hazardous way to move oil. Has anyone here spent any time trying to apply for benefits of any kind from the government? How about a grant? How about research? If you have, then you are quite familiar with "showing need". The government won't part with a penny for the average Joe, unless Joe fills out 20 forms and gets them all noterized, approved, and the whole thing takes 6 months, with the requisite amount of "need" shown at every point in the process. Yet, if we dare to ask the government to show need with our money? No, no, no....we aren't capable of comprehending. These things are better left to the "experts"...who often are the direct beneficiaries of the "need"ed $. Or, the people who designed the Obamacare abortion, turned around, and sold their services as "consultants" to the states and large corporations....because? They had a need.

here's the problem: I wasn't talking about a single physician either. Where did I say 1(one) guy? In fact, this is a pervasive problem amongst physicians...and every other health care worker. Don't forget: we collect the data for all of the above. Without us, MOST health care workers doctor their books in some way, largely because they don't want government/insurance/civil punishment, and have no way to document the process fully, the way they need to do it, or of fixing the mistake/oversight/whatever(largely because you only use 40% of the software you bought 3 years ago == national average). We allow them to document everything their own way, and nobody else's, and allow them to change that way at any time. Especially what they did to fix a F up, and what they are doing, right now, to keep it fixed...rather than them just recording the happy ending as they normally do, and not the beginning or the middle of the F up. Or the bad beggiing, but the good middle, and the ho-hum end, etc., and then, praying that nobody finds an inconsistency. That's because we are the only outfit that a.) understands the true meaning of the word workflow, and b.) brought that understanding, but modified it, after years of intesive feasibility studies(read: properly), to suit health care. Everyone else has failed because they don't know a, how to do b, or both. So please, spare me the one guy bit. Remember who you are talking to. There are literally ~20k, probably a lot more, health care workers of all stripes F'ing around with their documentation in this country right this minute, and it's largely based on self-interest/self-preservation, or personal gain. You aren't going to find any "patient centered" idiot platitudes at this time of night, all the babblers are sleeping... ....and don't tell me you don't know that. That 20k+ is an "entire group", and don't tell me you don't know that a whole new "entire group" will start doing it next shift change, either. And to continue the analogy: if you asked 1 of the 20k, if they thought the other 19,999 were doing it too, they'd say "Of course, what choice do we have?". So, there you have it, an entire group of people, all working the same way, doing the same things, knowingly wrong.....because? They believe they "have to". Then some MD/RN comes along, with yet another dopey study/book(which is not a solution, merely another whack at problem definition), and says "we aren't doing this right!" And, she is either lauded, or ridiculed....and ultimately: ignored. Why? Becaue we've all "believed" that F'ing around with the paper is the only real way to avoid punishment, and we are afraid of bucking the trend/group think/whatever. (Just like these researchers all "believed" in their own climate models). However, if some hardass kid comes along and says, "No, you bastards, I have evidence. I have a new way that works, and I am going to titty twist you(in reality, charm you) until you admit that it's better.." Most of the time said hardass still has to fight like hell with the very people who know they are doing it wrong. You are damn right I am indiciting the entire group: I have the evidence from my clients to prove what they were doing vs. what they are doing now. And, if I go into any health care outfit in the world tomorrow, I will find "doing it wrong". Period. Now, tell me that this isn't happening in Global Warming research. And tell me that it isn't worse for the "trend buckers" today than it's ever been. And why? Because the "establishment" can see the cracks in their entire foundation. They can eiher attack bigger and badder and hope that the center holds, or, they can skimp away like the newly created "lukewarmer" has. And once again: I will direct your attention to BEHAVIOR. RNs F around with paperwork for the same reason scientists do: they don't want to stand out. As long as things look "right", that's all that matters.

It didn't make sense then, and it doesn't now. Yeah the French can cry "Bon Chance" all they want about riding horses up a muddy hill and getting mowed down by arrows. Why did they send the 2nd wave once they understood the ground? How about the 5th? Because they were prideful idiots, and they got what they deserved: they lost. There has always been a philosophy, from many parts of the world, that states that war would be less likely if all its participants, especially the leaders who initiate it or generals to carry it out, were forced to fight in melee(edged) combat. Essentially hearing, seeing, smelling, someone else dying by your hand...would be an aversion...and therefore less people would want to participate, especially leaders, as they have the most to lose. Being POTUS one day, and getting disemboweled on live TV the next, is quite a swing, and might make you think twice...so goes the thinking. This is utter crap, and is a result of an aversion to reading/understanding military history, and history in general. Shaka Zulu proved that the exact opposite is true, and for them, war wasn't war until he trained his men to attack in melee. Frederick Barbarossa, who likely represented the end of Islam as we know it today, tells us what happens when an army loses its leader carelessly. Stonewall Jackson, same story. Gettysburg turns out differently if he is in command there and not Ewell. If we go back to the very beginning, before edged weapons, before the spear even, was some guy a coward because he picked up a rock, and hit somebody with it, instead of just using his fist? What about the guy who invented the spear, and realized he could do damage from a distance, before his enemy could? What about the guy who invented the first edged weapon, and shield, which could parry the spear and break into spear formations, hence the original incarnation of "shock troops"? Where does the spear guy get off calling the edged weapon guy a coward? Is he, or is he merely an innovator? Neither. It was about winning. War is always and only about winning. We get into big trouble every time we start talking about glory, and rules, and honorable weapons, and honorable deaths, and avenging this or that, or civilian casualties or anything that isn't: winning. Any concern or distraction from flat out winning always causes more problems, especially civilian deaths, than it solves. The Civil War prisoner exchanges before Grant took over closes the book on the argument: the fact is they prolonged the war, and more people, both soldiers and civilians, died as a result. Grant kept his prisoners, destroyed the South's will to fight, and the ability to fight, by ordering total war: ransacking civilian homes and killing whoever resisted = war over. IF we have to fight a war, total war is the most moral way. I know that sounds strange, and the weak don't want to hear that....because they are who they are. But the object of a war is to force surrender. The faster you do it, the less people die. Their is nothing more honorable, or moral, than ensuring less people die. The weapons used to ensure that? Irrelevant. What is the real difference between a sniper and an officer who calls in artillery coordinates? None. Would things be any different if Michael Moore's uncle was killed by artillery called in by a German officer? No. He'd still be dead. It's a bit demented, and disrespectful of his dead uncle, to be talking about any of this in the context of a movie. The uncle died for his country, and in doing so, helped to win a war. That's it.

You are absolutely high if you thiink anyone has done anything about organized crime in the Falls. And, all that has been accomplished? The current organized crime is now subsidized by the government, and it's scope and scale is approaching the 1950s level. More people from more areas are involved. The organizational structure has changed, but the outcome? Same as it ever was. All that has changed are the names. The crooks are more diverse. They've expanded into new things. Being Italian still makes a difference, but it's not exclusionary anymore. The game hasn't changed at all. When my uncle's wife opened her business there, 2 guys showed up the first week to "collect". Too bad for them, they didn't realize who she was married to, and therefore, which family they were F'ing with. Their error was corrected. I've been to the 3rd and 4th basements of the Cuomo. That's all you need to know....that I know. Instead of busting things up, the Democratic party got in bed with the crooks, or the crooks became the elected Democrats. Either way, When the last 3 mayors get locked up, and the current guy should have been a long time ago(but he's got something, that nobody knows about, but we know he has it, and it protects him)? They got busted because somebody informed. Somebody informed because these mayors crossed the wrong guy. Actually, given the circumstances, I don't know how you could do that job and not get busted for something eventually. You'd have to be a scary SOB. And don't think this is a partisan thing: The Republicans control the Power Authority, and there are all sorts of no-show jobs handed out by the county which is now all but 4 seats in R hands. Last I heard we are talking ~5 mil in payroll for little or no work. The same story can be told over and over, depending on who controls what, and sometimes both parties work together on corruption. Dyster is only knocking down houses/removing blight because he worked out a backroom deal for the property owners who have been writing off the abandoned houses. See? There's your R+D working together. Bi-partisan! Again, you're high if you thanking the Federal Deity for getting any actual results in the Falls. This is all about the $ now, and it flows 2 ways, from Albany and back... EDIT: and nobody wants the Feds getting any of it. But, it's not like they won't try...

He explained the pause by saying something that has been called impossible by environtologists for years: a temporary cooling period could possibly pause the disaterous effects of AGW warming. This cannot be true...for the environtologists have told us nothing can stop AGW....except the Kyoto Treaty. (Um, how many years now?) That's because AGW warming has to be overwhelming. It has to be...so that the political/$ machine can derive enough fear(remember that quote form my thread last year?) to get what they want. So, Don Paul, the weather guy...has now made a serious refutation of the claims of the AGW cult! Don Paul is lucky he is irrelevant, or, there'd be hell to pay. Lie? This isn't about lying. Once again(as I predicted, years ago), this is about save-ass. They know they have a problem, now, they are coming up with ways to save their asses. Inevitable. Don Paul is playing save-ass with his explanation, which is yet another speculation. Prevarication. Dissembling. Not lying. Read this: http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/my-life-as-a-climate-lukewarmer.aspx Hmm. Do you see the behavior? The # of people who have serious doubts about the "settled" science, and have 0 "fear" of people like you, has reached critical mass, and Matt Ridely knows it. Nobody is scared of you calling them a "denier", because now? It's literally like a bum...calling me a loser. Both you and the bum are laughable. Thus we have the Science Editor of The Economist(who started all of this schit 26 years ago), the first and biggest supporter of AGW, playing his own version of save-ass. Behavior. Forget the talk. Observe the behavior: Why was this article written? Life could have gone on without it. But, he had to write it, and, it was relevant enough to be posted on the front page of RCP. Why would RCP do that? Why does a seemingly random blog post from somebody you don't know, merit the front page? RCP knows why: it's a body blow to AGW "believers". That's why it's there. Have you learned anything about behavior today? Instead of doing what most of the environtologists are doing, fighting the contradictory evidence that is piling up againt them, by increasing the level of their invective? Ridley's going the other way: defining himself, now, as a "lukewarmer". How convenient. After years of attacking every other skeptic, now he becomes the victim of these "other people" who have been using the word "denier"(as if the Economist never used the term). After years running article after article on the immediate peril of AGW, and casting aspersions on anyone who dared to be skeptical....he's not so sure, and now? He's being "victimized" for it. This...is merely his save-ass tactic == "It wasn't me! It was these other guys, and see, now they're doing it to me!". To dumb it down to your level: Matt Ridley is yet another new enemy for you. He used to be one of your leaders, but now he is a traitor. You must destroy him at all costs. IF Don Paul and Matt Ridley are allowed to continue, the entire machine may fall apart, and then all of you will be playing your own version of save-ass. Fact is, most of these alarmists are doing it for political/lobbying/their personal investments in green industry/grant money/speaking tour/book money/publish or perish/personal interest reasons. The fact that you used the phrase "against the scientists that believe" says it all. Religion is about belief. Science is about observation confirming theory. The observed global temps DO NOT confirm the AGW theory, no matter how hard you "believe". They do not, because, as I've already said: the high CO2 sensitivity assumption simply cannot be right. We have dumped far more CO2 into the atmosphere than expected, and still the observations are off by...a lot(keeping it simple for you). The most likely outcome now is: CO2 sensitivity has been significantly overestimated. Anything that is produced going forward that continues to rely on that overestimation is the opposite of science. It is belief. Yes, because I've never met or heard of a physician who has put in time, effort, and possed the innate intelligence required to become a physician.... ....ever massage his data to get his drug/treatment/device though clinical trials and on to FDA approval. Why would he spend his entire life on a lie? It wouldn't be because if that drug gets approved, he gets public noteriety, significant recognition from his peers, and a boatload of cash would it? I mean, that physician has the skills and the drive necessary to change his career path then or even now. Why would he choose to lie about his new thinger? This never happens. All of these guys are beyond reproach. You are pretending something that occurs in your profession, every single day, first, does not occur, next, cannot occur in another profession, for reasons passing understanding. You mean like with Obamacare? Common Core? The ridiculous EPA making laws, but calling them rules? Dodd Frank? The IRS and its bad behavior? Trickle down government in general? Defined: we pay DC $1.00, they take their cut, the state takes their cut, and our teachers have to go through hell to apply, and then compete for a grant for the $.40 remaining. IF we left that $1.00 in the school district instead of concentrating it, and the rest of the dollars taken, in hands of the few(in power), so they can spend it on their ever-growing feifdoms, and the serfs who support them...none of whom have ever been able to show net positive results of their involvement, or an ROI on their cut? Education in this country would improve by an order of magnitude. Ironic is your word for this thread. Look it up. You are literally oblvious to your own irony. No. The difference is: we don't "believe" in things. We analyze things. I analyzed the behavior of the "lukewarmer" above. Seems to me that his behavior is very telling. He's no fool, and he's found what seems to him to be the least painful way to get off the sinkiing ship.

You may call me anything you like(but my name is Veronica ). However, I have, and continue to earn my elite status, and the people that matter are fully aware of that. They call me elite. Unless you matter, what you call me doesn't. Answer #1: "They" aren't Anon. Co-opting Anonymous to suit a personal own agenda, has been going on since forever. and Anon will do nothing to stop it. They don't care, and, it can be useful. This question shows you still don't get it. Targets are selected by whomever, it could be just one guy. All, or only some, participate. Everything depends on the scope of the wrong being righted. Scientology is a multinational cult...so Anon fired up a lot of people, and put them in the street. The fact is, you don't know who is who, and neither did most of the people in that street. My description, and I said it was marginal, of their thinking appears to be strict Constitutionalism, especially focused on the Bill of Rights, which is closest to Libertarian values. I base that solely on their history/who they actually go after. Remember, a dumbass ex-OWS script kid, who has 0 programming experience, but who runs around claiming to be Anon, and screaming about the 1%, only serves the purpose he is intended to serve: useful idiot. Anyone is allowed to co-opt Anon for their own agenda, claim they speak for Anon, and say whatever they want. This is encouraged...because they want idiots to download their hacks, porn, draw attention, whatever, so they can use whatever assets they gain from said idiots. However, the minute 1% hater tries to get the real guys to actually DO anything? The standard response: "Anonymous is not your private army". So, once again, observe the behavior. You don't see Wall Street getting hit by Anon, do you? So, the 1% rhetoric doesn't matter, because he people spouting it don't matter. All you see...is whatever you want to see, and if that means you see Anon as 1% haters? Your false perceptions are another of Anon's defenses. Answer #2: You really are struggling with this, aren't you? Wearing that mask is about "people in the street", or literally "Uh oh, the internet is here". For all you know, some of those guys are the real deal...and are there to observe, or achieve a social engineering goal(like see which doors have security, or how easy it is to get by the front desk). Or, maybe none of them are there. The fact is: I don't know, you don't know, and often even the real deal guys don't know who is who. The masks are how this is achieved. This goes back to the unique organizational structure. The best way to think about it: what if everybody at PPP was part of Anon? We'd have our elite guys, our tools, our useful idiots, and our various combinations of all of that guys. Just like with threads, some of them go 5 pages, some nobody cares about enough to respond...do goes Anon's "agenda". But...who is the leader of PPP? Do you think you are? Am I? How about Chef? Or DC_Tom? None of us are. However, if we find a useful, necessary, and entertaining purpose...like bashing gatorman, all of us can combine and pound him down to nothing. Or, today, maybe just one of us does. Anon has the same leaderless pack mentality we do here. Unlike here, God help the dumbass that asks a question....they usually instruct the guy to, step by step, destroy his own machine. At least we try to answer honest questions sinerely.

Why the F do I care what Don Paul said? Who the F is he? And why is he scurrying about providing yet another speculation to cover the ass of "settled" science? I'll remind you again: look at the behavior. All of these speculations aren't necessary, if the 18 year pause isn't real. But, it is, thus, they are. Did the entire concept of CO2 sensitivity being significantly, and empirically, lower than the models state....blow right by you/go over your head? Or, are you simply following the standard environtologist format: talk only about carbon, as if carbon, not CO2 is the ONLY variable? And more importantly: we have been told that no such "regular cycle of cooling" could possibly prevent the catastrophic(your words, not mine...I believe an awful movie was made) effects of Global Warming. We have been told that NOTHING is going to stop the cataclysm...other than driving electric cars, and all of us living in ****ty apartments in cities. Now, all of a sudden, after years of "certainty" and "settled" science...along comes a guy who tells us things...coincidentally...aren't as absolute as has been stated, repeatedly, by the left since 2005? Do the words "Kyoto is the bare minimum" mean anything to you? Or have you forgotten your own retarded rallying cry? The fact remains that the modeling, and the alarmist-->socialism nonsense that is based on it, are flat out wrong. The observations do not match the theory. Period. Expect? F, I can expect the Bills to win the SB next year. So the F what? "Expect" is not science. Nothing "reasons" when it's -9 degrees, I'm freezing my ass off in NY, when I planned to be in SC by now, and the very same clowns who got hacked in England were the ones predicting, 10 years ago, how sad it would be that English children would never know snow, and would only be able to learn about it in books. English children today, know all about snow, and freezing their asses off as well. You really want to use the word "expect"? Given the Global Warming "scientists" history with "expectations"? I wonder how many English children are "expecting" to go sledding this winter? But however will they do it....when nobody is selling sleds, because snow is in the "past". No. The standard answer here is 3.5. Learn it, be one with it, own it.

For those that don't know, Ezra Klein left the Washington Post, as it's cheif policy wonk, to start Vox.com. Vox.com's stated purpose is to explain complex policy isssues/questions... to various dumbass, leftist constituenciess, who can't read and comprehend English...otherwise known as the current Democratic party's base. Another way to describe them, via Rush Limbaugh == "low information voter"(LIV). Therefore, Vox.com is useless for most of us here. Klein's new purpose in life is to hopefully provide more "information" (in this universe we call it bias, and in some cases, propoganda) to those LIVs. Klein can clearly see that Obama's electoral wins are entirely without substance. Klien is no dummy, and as a Democrat, he is keenly aware of the precarious political position in which his party now resides == they are the party of no...ideas...other than recycling FDR/LBJ. So, Klein's obvious hope is to become the "ideologist-in-cheif" of the Democratic party, because, let's face it: Media Matters just got its ass kicked in November, the "war on women" is over, and somebody needs to do something. How ironic then, that he writes this: http://www.vox.com/2015/1/14/7537371/paul-ryan-presidential-run Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Ezra Klein :: Paul Ryan. So, at least Ezra knows who his "enemy" is. And, he's wise enough to see Ryan's tactical position on "the map". However, nowhere in this article, and, most likely nowhere in Ezra's brain, are you goning to find what Ryan is doing, or why, or, more importantly how he plans on achieving his goals. In a sentence: Ryan has spent more WORKING time with "the poor" and the underemployed than any Democrat has in decades. Thus it becomes easy to predict the future: Democrats either are ignoring, or are ignorant of Ryan's work over the last 2 years, therefore, they will never see his legislative agenda coming, and will be playing catch up once he unleashes it. I've said this on numerous occasions....but...now Ezra is starting to see it. Thus, I expect birdog to get it some time this summer, and gatorman to realize that HIllary is going to lose becuase of it...~15 months from now. You're damn right Ezra, Ryan will set the agenda. The trouble? You have no idea what he agenda will be, and all you are doing riight now is preparing the 80-year-old "trickle down" economcis arguments/sound bites. Ryan is going to take a lot of lunch money this year. Thus, Ryan is going to be the new "bully" the media cries about, becaue they've been dying for a real R bully for years. Too bad for them, and the far-left wingnuts: Ezra has already told us how this is going to go == professional, and why.

He already said: because poor whites tend to vote R. Sheesh Chef, don't you get it? He hates anybody that doesn't vote D. ----- Now, WTF the Democratic party is going to do without its historical base of consistently voting, working class whites, that it had enjoyed since FDR...in 2016, or in every election going forward? I do not know. Neither do most informed Ds. This story has become generally accepted by both sides. I have been talking about this problem since my first posts at PPP, and if I have said "If my, 30 years elected, grandfather was alive, he'd be cracking heads, and kicking the socialists out of the D party, just like he did in the old days with the Communists" once, I've said it 100 times here. Example: Maryland, of all places, has an R governor today. So does Mass. My grandfather would be dead anyway due to this, because he would have had a conniption over these election #s, especially the demographics, which show that if Obama had the same demos in 2012, in 2014, he would easily lost. It's going to be a fun day around here when gatorman realizes just how badly he, Obama, and the rest of the far-left have wrecked the current and future D party. When he realizes that it can't put up any qualified candidates for the House, because it controls so little of the state houses? Which means it can't put up candidates for the Senate, or Governor....which means...who are they going to run for President? A Senator from CA? MA? NY? Good luck running a liberal from a liberal state ever again. You got away with your "first black president" schtick. And that's what it was: schtick. The clown in this article, along with the first black president, are so far away from understanding radical Islam, that even an idiot single mother/crackhead, on full government hand outs knows it. Culture and religion are the issues here, not poverty. Less than 0 education(um a curriculum consisting solely of the Koran, homeopathy, and basic arithmetic...let's never forget who invented the 0! ...enough to run a shop), rather than proper education, is the problem here. The entire liberal narrative of poverty = terrorism...was proved wrong by top 1% OBL, and again, by a US Army major who started shooting his own. Only a fool would continue this line of thinking. But....that's exactly what I expect from the far left, and I want them to continue: this way they never hold power again.

You should be. Anon is the real deal. Well, the "oldfags" are. I am fully aware of the skill sets they possess. I have little to do with them. But, I am aware of them. If you work in elite IT, you are working with and around Anon people, no matter what. Thus, you have a little to do with them by default. A little does not mean nothing. Thus, the question is: whether you are observant enough to see the little, and, whether you are good enough keep that little separate from whatever they are doing. Hehe...that's exactly what they want. This way, when they do pull off a huge exploit, nobody believes it was them. They love to attract "newfags" == stooges, script kids, etc. all of whom run around pretending they are Anonymous, because for them, it's about being cool. They serve a dual purpose: propagate the Anon mystique by running their mouths all over the internet(all while being tracked), and later, serving as a defense shield. Meanwhile, real Anonymous is the antithesis of being cool. Real Anonymous is about the work, because any elite IT person is only about the work. Then, when it's time, the "cool" Anonymous kid gets his door kicked down by the Feds, not realizing that it was his machine that was used to perform the hack, or more likely, one part of it. How? That script he downloaded from that "cool" Anon site, and used to hack his buddy's Facebook account(tee hee)? That had a few extra lines of code in it. A script kid, by definition, doesn't have the skills to even consider that possibility, never mind reviewing the source code. Hence, they serve as the perfect defensive shield. Somebody gets arrested, the authorities get their "bust" for the media(and Bill O'Reilly gets to have his victory parade ). But, chances are we are talking about a teenager, so they probably get off easy. And, real Anon, untouched, begins planning it's next exploit. You want to know what they will do? How about destroy a few suspect Middle Eastern bank's entire systems and their backups, with 15 little Johnny script kids around the world getting the blame? Which is they way they want it. The only opinions they care about are each other's. That's the fundamental flaw in most people's understanding of Anonymous. They are about the work they are doing, only. When it's done, they are too. They are not terrorists, or whatever, because Anon has nothing to do with terror. They fight for freedom in the absolute. Essentially they are strict Constitutionalists and Libertarians. There is no nuance. Free speech means it, 100%. So does Free Knowledge. So does Internet Freedom, in all its forms. Thus, they don't seek attention. This is not some ego trip, there is no grandiose manifesto, or power seeking here. There is no charismatic leader who goes on 60 Minutes and plays celebrity/romantic hero. They pick targets, publicly, but carefully, warn them to cease their bad behavior, and, if they don't, they attack. It's all very professional, and, since we are talking about elite IT people, what else should we expect? And that's the thing: the reason that we don't have real internet taxation/censorship? Fear. Right now, Anonymous is on the other side of a line I don't cross. But, if the leftists ever get away with their net neutrality/tax/censorship agenda? They'd be moving that line, and putting me, and a whole lot of other people, on Anon's side of it. All of us, working together, is a war that the they can never hope to win. We'd destroy not only the Federal apparatus used to implement such douchebaggery, we'd also destroy the means to ever impose it again. They'd be lucky to emerge with a single networked device still intact.

We know all of that, except the Dev/null part. Dev/null has demonstrated a subtle wit on this board for years, but, that is beyond your ken. Does carbon cause warming, of course. If it didn't we wouldn't be alive. But, other things cause warming too...it's called: living on a planet with an atmosphere, near a sun. The central issue that ALWAYS gets passed over, especially by the left who seek to use this issue solely as a political/fundraising tool, is climate: SENSITIVITY. I'll say that again so that you are sure to get it: CLIMATE SENSITIVITY. Defined: how sensitive is the climate to CO2, or anything else? The AGW theory(you know, the one that the, debunked, "consensus"...all agree is cause for alarm, because it makes them $/scares voters? Yeah, that theory.) has always assumed a high level of sensitivity to CO2 increases, only. There is NOTHING standing behind this assumption. Nothing at all. The only reason it exists is because: political $ that comes from assuming it is high. It's exactly like a math equation where sensitivity is represented by an X variable. We always assign an extraordinarily high value for X, and never back up why. Nor do we ever see if lowering X's value puts our modeling more in line with the global temperature observations from the last 25, never mind 18, years. It's entirely possible, and we've probably moved from possible to likely, that either today's climate, or the earth's climate in general, just isn't anywhere near as sensitive to CO2 as assumed, and the value of X needs to be lower. There could be all sorts of reasons why X needs to be lower, but nobody is investigating that...because if they did, and found something, the ass falls out of the alarm-->money-->power-->socialism machine. In every single long term model: the assumed increasing rate of CO2 being dumped into the atmosphere when the model begins, is much less than what is actually being dumped today. NOBODY assumed China's and India's level of pollution would increase 10x more than they had factored. So, the models aren't just wrong, they are way wrong. We are dumping a lot more CO2 than they assumed, and they aren't even close to proving causation on global surface temps. Right now, the most likely explanation is not the wild-eyed, save-ass speculations I described above. Rather it is: the climate is clearly not as sensitive to CO2 as these politicized scientists would have us believe. Yes, and show me the solar activity from the Jurassic period. Oh, you can't, well it doesn't matter, it's not like a single solar flare with the right magnitude and vector, could wipe out all life on earth or anything. Newsflash: without it, you can't predict a damn thing. These 2 unmitigated morons are doing exactly what I was talking about above: assuming a high level of sensitivity, and "extrapolating". Meanwhile, notice how the ONLY variable here is CO2? We know that there are many variables that affect climate...but...we're back to pretending that CO2 is the only one. What about methane? Nah, Volcanoes never produce methane, or anything else...just CO2. And, while we are at it: what was the ocean doing during the Jurassic period? Was it also acting as a massive heat sink....just like it is today, if you believe in AGW-save ass Speculation #1? What were the clouds doing? Were they causing a pause in Global Warming....just like they are doing today, if you believe in AGW-save ass Speculation #3? Once again, we see non-scientific method that is constantly applied to this issue on display: posit "settled" theory, and then go seek evidence to support it, and ignore all things that "deny" it. Hypothesis? Repeatable experiments? What's that? Yeah....20 F'ing years worth of using the same methodology to collect global surface temp data is...exactly like cherry picking. I'll restate Tom's question: What kind of engineer are you? Sanitation? You may not like the facts, but you aren't entitled to ignore them. The fact is that "the pause" is just as real as anything anybody else is saying about this topic. EDIT: IF if wasn't...why then are the AGW consensus clowns scurrying about trying to find data to support these hastily thrown up speculations in response to "the pause"? Once again: behavior tells us what we need to know. One cannot discuss this topic seriously, or scientifically, unless one includes the 18 year(Seems like just yesterday it was a 10-year pause, now it's 18, and heading off to college soon ) pause in observed surface temperature in that discussion. It is empirical evidence that you simply cannot wish away.

Well, clearly you've missed, at least my, point. This is entertainment. For us. Mocking them, as they smugly sit behind "the mic"(anybody remember that? ). and believe it is they who are above us. That's the opposite of right. Example: you have no idea how much pleasure I derive from the "(Hey guys) How're doing/How's it goin'?" callers annoying the afternoon guys. To this day, whenever a caller begins his call, with...what is pretty much how all Upstate NYers begin every conversation...Schopp now refuses to respond(but you can hear the seethe ), and Bulldog says something in Mumblish...to try and move quickly past it. As if time is a factor...for a talk show...that lasts 4 hours. This was a big deal for a while, and they would berate every "How's it goin'" caller, for simply speaking as we do, until somebody, I assume the boss, read what was posted here about it...and told them to STFU. The hissy ended the very next day. Today, I laugh every time I hear a "How's it goin'" caller, because it still enrages them(you have to listen carefully). Why shouldn't I laugh? (Borrowed Gieco phrasing)What kind of nitwits throw a tantrum over hearing a WNY colloquialism...from WNY callers...that they are going to hear in every baseball card/pizza shop in WNY? Or, we could just laugh, because, for all the wishful superiority these nitwits project? We are the ones who, by merely posting a few lines here...can force them into a corrective action meeting with their boss. Thus, it is we, well, at least some of us, who are cruising at 30k above them. For those of suggesting/dancing around the notion that WGR reads what is posted here? No need for dancing. I've run multiple experiments that proves it. WGR commercials vary from barely passable to awful. This is one of those wealth vs. work things. WGR has an unending base of listeners, because of the Bills, Sabres, and our culture. Thus, they are wealthy. They own a renewable resource and the means of its refinement: information we need(F want). Thus, their work can be good or shoddy. It doesn't really matter. We'll sit through 20 minutes of bad radio, and worse commercials, just to get to the sports update. I mean, I can't imagine representing my business, via WGR's "customized marketing campaigns", like the free association roofing dude does...randomly babbling about his 1 sport coat, or ripping off National Treasure(the movie...yeah, I got it, and no, it wasn't clever). The dude sounds like he just took 3 monster hits off a bong, and it's...whatever comes to mind...something about water...and my roof. And, no, it didn't work: I only remember the bizarre, not the company. Paul Hamilton is not a dinosaur. Paul Hamilton is one of the few things about WGR that allow the word "refinement" to be used in the same sentence. The one thing I will say: the Mighty Taco commercials are the, rare, highlight. And, that's largely because they often parody WGR commercials. The "Get behind me...and stay there" spoof of the Scientology commercials were hilarious. And seriously, WTF was WGR doing running commercials for a cult? Those commercials were unintentionally hilarious...and so exploitable, hence Mighty Taco. Mighty Taco, of all things, has to set professional standards for WGR, by shaming them via parody? QB Bills: that, if nothing else, is why we make fun of WGR. Mighty Taco tends to have more gravitas.

"I can't help thinking that [this was Israel]" That pretty much says it all. What thinking? No thinking going on here whatsoever. There is only emoting. The narrative overrides all fact/logic. They have no interest in thinking. And yeah, they can't help themselves. That's why: they need to seek help from a professional. Apparently only Israelis can speak perfect French, and not Arabs....many of whom were taught French growing up. Nah, Arabs always have an accent when speaking French. And these are the people who would dare call others racists.

Oh Jesus Christ here we go again with the particulate matter. Hey clown: nothing has changed since my last Global Warming thread: 1. There has been an 18 year "pause" in Global Warming that not one model can account for properly. Most are off by an order of magnitude at least. 2. Thus, the model creaters(or the myth creaters) have been scurrying around trying to find an excuse for the pause, and to explain away why their models are failing miserably to be consistent with observations. As Tom said, they are even trying to play the artifical precison game, hoping that will regain them some credibility. 3. Thus, since the beginning of my thread last year, exactly nothing has changed...2 speculations(not fact, not reasearch, not repeatable experiments) are the ONLY thing standing between AGW, and launghing-stock status. Either the ocen is hiding the heat at the bottom, or, pollution is both causing and stopping Global Warming at the same time. No one has brought forth hard evidence of either being true since I started my thread last year. In fact, the first one defies our current understanding of ocean currents. And, the second one, if you think about it, is a license to keep polluting! IF pollution cancels itself out....then where's the problem? Finally there's the new thing: "we don't understand clouds....it could be the clouds". Is there a finer example of grasping at every straw on the way down? Yes and we don't understand string theory fully either...it could be the strings! There could be some as yet undefined particle...that feeds on/absorbs your favorite thing: particulate matter, and craps it into another universe. Man, those people must be pissed. Or, maybe they are happy, since all their plants are growing so nicely now. Hey, if you guys get to pull schit out of your ass, why don't the rest of us?