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Yeah, talking tough, about guys who talk tough on the internet, on a message board. I would try to explain the word irony to you, but, I fear it would be a waste of time. Fishes, row boats? Jimmy I think the best thing for you to do on Sunday, rather than watching us destroy the Jets, would be to go down to Flushing Meadows park and rent yourself a nice paddle boat. http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/fmcp Think about it, just you, the seagulls, and the planes, floating on some slimy polluted water. Peacful, isn't it? If that's not enough look what else they have: Playgrounds Jimmy! You know you want to give the monkey bars a try, don't you? How about that model airplane idea? See, all that aggression(caused by self-hatred of your inferiority) could be washed away: all it takes is launching your model airplane! Sounds like a lot of fun. And, it beats the hell out of you taking a terrible loss on Sunday poorly, and then beating the hell out of girlfriend, doesn't it? Besides, if she takes one more shot to the head from you, she's going to forget how to use the bathroom. You don't want to live with that, do you?

Yes, that's why they give each Congress a number. Currently this is the 113th. http://www.house.gov/ It's like they know nothing at all. I often wonder how many on the left actually took/passed 11th grade Regents American History. Or, if they even have it still. Right, because Jesse Helms is relevant to this discussion. While we are at it, let's bring up Sarah Palin! The difference between what is happening in the GOP vs. what is happening with the Dems: introspection, debate, and a great deal of thought. The GOP is doing that, while the Dems aren't. Historically, the GOP's approach results in things like the "Contract with America". Meanwhile, Obama the candidate is cannabilizing the Democratic party, to keep the candidate's Presidency from dying. A Democratic Strategist, of major import, is telling you that, right here: http://images.politico.com/global/2013/05/09/sosnik_memo_59_final.html In the end, the GOP is working, and working very hard, to get their act together. The Democrats are listless, and merely playing Obama Fail Whackamole. From Syria, to Libya, to Obamacare, to the Economy. No new ideas, or solutions, and certainly no leadership. Just Whackamole. We'll see, but, in my experience, admitting your mistakes, and working hard to fix them, in the long term, always beats putting the best face on the problems, and doing little or nothing to fix them. Just ask yourself: if the unions don't get the changes they want in Obamacare? Are they going to show up for 2014? How about 2016? Oh please. Then your argument would be specious at best. Rassmussen has been PROVEN to be the most accurate survey of Likely Voters, in election after election. Huffington Post, of all media outlets, but this dopey argument to bed a long time ago. Face the facts: the only people who support Obamacare is the far left = 20% of the country, and that has a lot more to with their egos than it does with good policy. They don't want to be slapped down, publicly. That's what this is about. They don't realize that those of us who rationally oppose it, couldn't care less about their egos, or their embarrassment. We simply don't want to see something we KNOW is going to fail, hurt the country. We want a real solution. IF they cared about solutions(spare me, we ALL care about the problems) they would demand that Obama either fix this thing, or, scrap it for something else, immediately. But, they don't. They never did. If you really understand Obamacare, you realize that it's very nature is about political punishment, posturing and false blame, not problem solving. IF it was about problem solving, then we'd see thing that actually reduce cost, and removes rent-seekers from the value chain. You yourself have complained about rent-seekers in health care on this very board, but, you don't know it, and, you only complain about the ones that help you politically, you don't complain about all of them. Suspect.

Then you are woefully misinterpreting what is being said. Impractical means impractical, everyone having a gun is impractical(not because we can't make enough, but because we can't count on people to use them properly. We make plenty of cars, etc.), and so is maintaining the readiness of all security forces at such a high level. Let me clear it up for you: The prevailing notion here is that you can't "take away all the guns", and solve the problem. That's because: you can't take away all the guns. The only guns you will take away are those from law-abiding citizens. Criminals, and crazies, by definition, do not care about laws. Thus, laws are not the solution. How can they be? We need to target the criminal, and the crazy, not their tools. Again, some dude just attacked people with a pickaxe. Should we ban pickaxes? It all comes down to logic vs. emoting. Emoting solves nothing. Yes. The root causes here are: 1. Man is an imperfect creature. Be very wary of those who say he isn't, and suggest that they know the way to Utopia. They are lying, to you or themselves, and chances are they are doing so to gain power, not solutions. 2. Social pressure, not social laws, or social programs, is the most effective means of creating social change. Hell, look at this board, and what happens to those that say "we should trade Stevie", or "Kiko Alonso sucks". 3. A culture, that glorifies sticking a gun down your shorts, which results in you shooting yourself in the leg(Plaxico)...is utterly retarded. Thus the solutions are: 1. Accept that bad choices--> tragedy is part of life. Deny anyone who says they can solve the problem by taking away "some" of your liberty. 2. Bad choices rarely happen in a vaccuum, and usually are made in a series. We need to ostracize, and socially pressure, the bad choice people BEFORE they can continue their series of choices. We also need to recognize and treat the crazy choice people early on. 3. "Gangsta" culture must be eradicated. It is the root cause of so many social problems, because it glorifies evil. It attempts to justify bad behavior, by taking the blame off of those who behave badly, and putting it elsewhere. To be clear: this won't stop all the gun violence in this country. However, a large chunk of it will be gone. 4. Legalize drugs. I can't believe that, as a country, we are too dumb to have learned from Prohibition. Automatic weapons first landed out our streets due to Prohibition. The Tommy gun had been around for years. Nobody started using them, partially because nobody could afford one, until Prohibition.

Yes, and unfortunately for you: I doubt you will ever have the wisdom to truly comprehend it. Tragedy, at least acknowledgement of it: has been with us since ancient Greece. Tragedy is part of life. So is accepting one's limitations, and, accepting that you don't know better. EDIT:(Changed "man" to "people", just for you) People are fallible. Some people are more fallable than others, some less. 1. Those who think they know better, but haven't put the work in, and gained the experience, to know they do, are significantly more fallible. 2. The more centralization we create, the bigger, and more likley, the potential for FAIL we create. 3. People make bad choices, and no amount of government intervention is ever going to prevent that. All that intervention does, is make life less happy for the rest of us, and often creates problems we otherwise wouldn't have. Those 3 things are the root cause of Democrat FAIL. For all of your belief in your, and your party's infallibility, from 2006 until today: you are failing. Miserably. That's right, you are doing a worse job than the Bush administration. All that remains is: acceptance of that reality. Instead, we get: denial.

Oh of course, and, if anyone dares to say anything about this story other than their "victim of society" thing? They will call that person a racist. Leftists have an impossible time with blaming themselves for their own failures. This is precisely why they always want to talk about gun control, rather than: education, welfare, single mothers, moral standards, and protecting children from predators. See, they actually believe that they are superior beings. Therefore, when they F up, it's impossible for them to contemplate, never mind accept.

Nah, Manhattan is no different than anywhere else. I stay long enough to take what I want from whoever I want, then I move on. I might have stayed, but other places offered me more of what I want, so I left to take it from them. There's a good chance I'm not finished with Manhattan yet, but, I may have to do some things out West/down South first. In all cases, an ignoramus like you would never comprehend, so please, try to stay focused on football, and not on your loser strip mall town, that contains that loser strip mall, that contains the loser bar that you hang out at with your loser buddies and your loser girlfriend. The new fish sandwhich is awful, but you all say its good. You tell yourselves that, and each other. You don't know why, and I'm certainly not going to tell you, but you know it's a lie, don't you? Go Bills.

Great point. Seems like we haven't throught it through, and you have. Returning to their seat means antagonziation for all. Cannot happen. Yeah, the more I think about it? This idea is stupid.

As long as they also wear Bills gear, and sit near groups of opposing fans as well? Then I don't have a problem. It's not like it's hard to figure out where they will be. As I've said many times: the largest, longest, and most violent fight I have ever seen at the Ralph(and #7 on my list overall), was started by well-to-do Pats fans, in the "food court" part of the club seats. They tried to jump a guy as he walked through the walkway from the seats. They F'ed it up, and they place went berserk. Especailly the guy they tried to jump. Turns out the sucker punchers had friends, but, so did berserker guy. Never seen so many tables and chairs get thrown, and miss. The furniture took a bigger beating that the people. But, when berserker did connect, it was like a Rocky movie: blood everyhere. It took 5 mins for security to show up, probably because: who expects a Donnybrook in the food court? So, spare me the "Bills fans are bad" crap. Opposing teams fans are just as bad, and just as likely to be looking for trouble. Thus, the cops should be deployed in a manner that accounts for the entire problem.

Don't like IFs? Ok. Watch this: http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Bills_Focus_Stevie_Johnson_Wired_For_Sound/bb79a377-b58d-431b-8d0a-86a9193a9c70 At 2:11, you can actually HEAR the PI happen. Stevie was interfered with, no IF. The rest doesn't matter. An obvious penalty such as that renders all further speculation useless. 100/100 times, they call Keuchly for PI on that. Bills or no Bills. So, the real story here is how could Keuchly have been so stupid. And, EJ and company had discussed the potential for PI on that play, earlier in the week. Given that angle, it appears Stevie would have caught the ball, no ifs. At the very least, he would have been free to make a play on the ball, and would have prevented the INT. Actually if you look here: http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Bills_Focus_Relive_the_Game_Winning_Drive/8ea1d5ea-b16a-4d9f-afd1-0aaa5aa6b26b You can plainly see that not only does Stevie, sans PI, have a shot at the ball, his angle means he could have run right by the safety and into the EZ. As far as getting people up the field in time to spike it? They could have easily gotten that done. It only takes 10 seconds from then end of that play, assuming he gets tackled and doesn't score. Around 17 seconds would be left, -10 to get up and spike it, leaves about 7 seconds.

These are the only logical answers. Of course, they are impractical. However, they are more practical, than newer, broader gun control laws. Which neither stop guns or controls them. They are infinitley more practical that banning guns altogether. No. Here's is wisdom: Freedom is not free, and, often, the price of freedom is: bad choices. Clearly, many idiots supported Obama because he was black, and not because he was qualified for the job. This was a bad choice. Clearly, many idiots, including me, supported Romney over Gingrich, because we thought purely in terms of qualifications, and not about personal appeal. That was also a bad choice. However, because we have freedom, we can make those bad choices, both individually and collectively. Thus, yes, in order to preserve freedom, we have to live with bad choices. The hope is we minimize the bad choices, but getting rid of them altogether is: impractical. And, again, some one-size-fits-all plan from DC, will NOT solve the problem, it will simply restrict our liberty, and empower valueless government employees, to both justify and expand their existence. Thus we fight fire with gasoline. It's much better to simply contain the fire. EDIT: I was called away, but, I was planning on making this a few days ago, this seems like a good place to roll it out:

Hilarity is you trying to pretend that the New Jersey/Long Island strip mall land you call home = a big city. Miles and miles of porn stores, Denny's, and Target, is no different than Cheektowaga. I bet I've lived and worked in Manhattan for longer than you have. I was with a group of people that wasn't solely comprised of my family, so, I called it my crew. And, really? I'm surprised by you Jimmy. Have you been hanging around the Learning Annex? Been spending time scoping the Nassau Community College girls, trying to impress one? Or, is your probation officer some bleeding heart, Ivy League dilettante, who thinks you are actually redeemable, and is beginning your "new path of good choices" by telling you about things that are outside of your comprehension, so that you can feel "smart"? How else can we explain you actually knowing that crew involves a boat of some kind? Regardless, the Bills are going to pound the Jets, the same way your fans got pounded last time I was there. It was enjoyable then, it will be enjoyable now.

Yeah? Well you must not have been there the last time I was. These 2 Jet fans got beat down by a NYC cop. They were throwing stuff at my crew, missed, and hit his wife. Hilarity ensued. They squealed like litte girls when he beat them down. He threw them both face first into the stairs, cuffed them, hauled them up the stairs to the security people, and delivered them: bloody and broken. That was the only head smack I've ever seen at your stadium full of stock brokers, accoutants, and other assorted pencil neck geeks. You Jets fans aren't tough at all. Sure you talk big, but, when it's time to back it up? Squeal. Like little girls.

Last time I was there it wasn't very loud, even though it was a close game. And, that was the old stadium. It's nothing like the Ralph. Too many people who think it = PGA. It's a paradise for people who have a problem with "standing the whole game". Everybody mostly sits. Tailgating? The parking lot looks no different than the one at your mall. Of course there's the big cheer when something good happens, but, the rest of the time, you can hear individual people talking. And, yeah, if we get up on them by 2 TDS? Prepare for the place to empty out quick. Last game we were winning for 2 seconds, but I saw a significant amount of fans leaving. GG is right, the Jets should be called the Long Island Jets, since that's where most of their fans come from. The early leaving probably has as much to do with that as their "fandom".

Actually, no. Crime was at an ALL TIME HIGH, just prior to welfare reform in the 90s. That's right, welfare reform, and policies like Guiliani's, which again, I stress happened right in front of me(as in, every single day I walked halfway across Manhattan to get to my job = Penn Station to Park Ave, and every single day, for a year and a half. At first nothing was noticable, but, slowly for a few months, and then, rapidly after 9, you'd have to be an idiot not to notice. You could have just studied Penn Station itself to see the difference.)...these are the things that lowered the crime rate. You know what else correlates to the lower crime rate? Expiration of Federal Gun laws. More guns, less crime. That is the accurate relationship. As evidenced by your posts, there's little we can do about stupid. But, we have to stop supporting it, subsidizing it, and pretending that it's not a big deal.

It's not inappropriate in the slightest. It's far past time for those people who have made that claim that removing guns, or gun free zones, solves problems, to be held accountable for their FAIL. This is about the facts. There are no such thing as hate facts. There are simply facts. The reality is: people who want guns will ALWAYS be able to get them, no different than people who want drugs, will always be able to get them. That's because market economics, despite all idiotic attempts to deny it, will ALWAYS exist. My acknowledgment of that reality, and your denial of it, doesn't entitle you to make my choices for me. If I choose to protect myself with a personal weapon, that's none of your business, and it's offensive to suggest otherwise. That's right: offensive. I fully reject the possibility that you know better than I, about anything, regarding my life. Yes, attempting to curtail my liberty, via yet another one-size-fits-all policy from DC , which, by definition, is doomed to FAIL? That is now: offensive. Look at every single other poilcy that has come frome there. It's not bad enough that my job, $, health care are being F'ed...now you want me to put my in their clearly incompetent hands as well? No F'ing way. See, I can do emotional pleas too. However, the fact remains that DC being a "gun-free zone" did exactly NOTHING to prevent what happened yesterday. So, why have it all?

No, you don't. You have no idea actually. The root question appears to be: why do I need a gun in the first place? But it isn't. The real root is: how did these peole get to where they are, such that we need guns to protect ourselves from them? After all, these are human beings, and having to treat them this way is sickening to most. Who's doing this to us? What has happened to society, and who is responsible for it happening, through their failed policies, that necessitates people having personal protection? Again, who's doing this to us? What has happened to the police? Now they can't do anything without being called racist. Whose policy it is to bring in Federal oversight for the NYC police force, and remove that tactics that are working, that have completely reversed and nearly won the crime battle? As a person who personally witnessed Guliani's amazing turnaround in that city, to see some clown now looking to go backwards...and call himself: progressive? It's patently retarded. What has happened to gun control = less crime? We've been told that for my entire life, yet, in every way, it has been proven false. Or, again I ask: how did this gun violence happen in the "gun-free" zone of DC? The reality is: the root cause of this is liberal eduction FAIL, welfare FAIL, liberal legislative/executive FAIL and corruption(see Detroit),and the cry racist wolf people. The root cause of that is: the need for a permanent underclass, from which liberals derive their power.

1 fact of life: DC is already a gun-free zone. 1 puzzling question: How could this possibly happen in a gun-free zone, as gun-free zones ensure 0 gun-violence issues. After all the politicization of Newtown, and GZ/TM...gatorman wants to know why we would be ahead of the curve politically? Perhaps because gator lives his life behind the curve?

Exactly. 1. When Obamacare causes insurance rates to rise, when it makes every single business, small and big(except those expempted because they are buddies with Democrats) pay more? That eats into the budget of every single hiring manager. That manager(who is embodied by every single client I have, and every single client of my partners) decided not to hire...middle class people. That's because s/he's not empowered to hire "the rich". The middle class is who they hire. 2. When the regulations and taxes this idiot administration passed in the first 2 years of its awful existence causes all of the big guys to keep their money offshore? That same otherwise hiring, middle manager is told: "we aren't expanding. Hold the line, and we'll see where we are in a few quarters." Therefore they don't hire...middle class people. That's because "the rich" want to stay that way, and they aren't going to take risks on expansion, without reasonable chance of reward. 3. Taking 1 and 2 together? NOBODY is willing to train anybody for "the jobs of today". They don't to train somebody, who's only going to work 29 hours a week, and, they don't want to train their existing 29-hour week people. So, no middle class people get a chance at moving to upper-middle class. This means no new middle class people will be hired to replace them. This is the reality "on the ground". This is not the hypothetical fairy world that Obamacare, and Obama's economic team(who've all since run back to academia) live in. For the last time: the poor, and the middle class, do not create jobs. The upper middle class, via their jobs, and the rich, via their capital, create jobs. If you want to create jobs, no different than if you want to create offense in football, you have to create the conditions where people can choose to be successful.

Read... http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/09/16/cnn-anchor-i-cant-remember-a-mass-shooting-on-a-military-base-n1701446 Laugh! The best is: if it was workplace violence in Texas, how could you not remember it? Freudian Slip...of idiocy?

"What are you looking at?" guy could very easily end up as part of a meme. Steve Smith told Andre Reed Unfiltered "McKelvin that pressed up on that slant, better go talk to his ass, get him in the F'ing weight room" Translation: "McKelvin owned me most of the game, and I didn't like it, so I'm gonna talk schit about one play."

Ah, but he does have clients = the media, especially the Jet Fan Bois that work at ESPN.

I have a deal for these people. A county gets to take away one handgun for every person, on any form of assistance, that passes my tests(logic, history, civics and physical). They will have to take that test, every year, if they've received any form of government benefits, not including SSI/Medicare, in that year. For every person that fails, one new, permanent, handgun permit will be made available in that county. If you want to remove my handgun, you will need to ensure that there aren't any stupid people, that you've kept stupid, via your nonsense entitlement programs, in my area. That's a perfectly acceptable compromise. If liberal plans succeed, then they(and in the big picture, all of us) are rewarded by getting something they want. If they fail? Then we are allowed to protect ourselves from their failure.

Obama cowering and praying in the WH: "Please don't be terrorism, please don't be terrorism, please don't be terrorism".

Yeah, let's F everybody over, because some people can't get their act together. While we are at it: let's cover the rest of your dopey premises. Let's F around with insurance, even though OUR insurance plan(Medicare) is the root cause of 90% of the insurance problem. Let's discourage the supply of health care in every single way we can, and mandate increased demand, while doing NOTHING to increase REAL competition amongst providers, and of course, let's not make anyone that doesn't take care of themselves or their children, pay for that abuse. Meanwhile, let's allow an entire class of people to make their living sucking money out of the system, while adding no value. Why? Because they vote for us! What's this doing here? Free association? More free association. If you actually knew anything about the VA, you'd know that every veteran who isn't named John Kerry, would instantly drop them for a private insurer, and providers, if they were given the option.

Yes, when I started this thread, I thought it was about mocking the media for its blind support of an incompetent, and trying and failing to be introspective about that. Little did I know that it would end up not even qualifying as a punchline. It's so obvious that Obama, and, don't forget, his cast of tools from academia, simply have no idea WTF they are doing.