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How did they "clean up"? They got a third round pick next year and a first round pick in 2023, which is worth less than a second round pick this year, to move from 3 to 6. The Jets traded three second round picks, including two in that year's draft, to move from 6 to 3 in 2018.

Miami is doing a very good job of rebuilding, but if they're wrong about Tua, it could all be for naught. Thank God they weren't smart enough to draft Herbert last year.

I'd be OK with Harris or Etienne at 30. I would NOT be ok with a trade up for them.

Nope. The Jets would have traded that pick to SF if they weren't going to take a QB. I'm sure SF inquired.

I don't think that's very good value. A first in 2023 is worth about a third round pick this April, and the Niners are likely to be picking late for the forseeable future.

Or Chase

Wow! So they got a third and a 2023 first to move back from 3 to 6. I don't think that's very good value for Phins.

Unlikely it's for a receiver. They already have Kittle, Samuel and Aiuk. They're set there. Gotta be for a QB and they must love Fields, Jones or Lance, because that's what's going to be available there.

I would imagine SF tried to get the second pick from the Jets, but the Jets weren't trading it or the price was too high. I'm guessing they already have their hearts set on Wilson.

won't be there at 3

Has he ever traded down? Ever? No way he trades down this year. I expect at least two trades up.

I think you can figure it out.

Good list. And if the Dolphins add JaMarr Chase, lookout. Fortunately, they don't have a QB.

Then you would have passed on the three best QBs in the league...

So your negative evaluation of Wilson is based on BYU's strength of schedule and the fact that he wasn't awesome his first two seasons, including as a true Freshman. Did you see any of BYU's games? Was BYU physically superior to nearly everyone they played, like Clemson and Alabama were? I doubt it. Which QBs have you liked coming out of college the past three years? Any of them?

Simms, not Sims.

Assuming Wilson was playing behind Alabama's offensive line, throwing the ball to Waddle and Smith and handing the ball off to Harris, he would have been terrific. I think Mac Jones is really good too, by the way.

If I'm not mistaken, Wilson is at three-year starter at BYU and played well all three years, including as a true freshman. And I don't think the level of competition is much of a concern because (1) he wasn't exactly surrounded by a bunch or 4 and 5-star guys himself, and (2) BYU at least played a decent Division 1 schedule and they weren't just destroying teams with their superior personnel, like Clemson, Alabama and to some extent, Ohio State. Mahomes and Josh Allen certainly didn't play against awesome competition, either. And while Trevor Lawrence played at a high level for three years, I'd be a little concerned about the evaluation because Clemson was just so far superior to most of the teams they've played the past three years, although I definitely think he will be a good NFL QB. I agree with you about Fields; I would not take him in the first round.

I'm not sure we will see about Darnold. I doubt he gets an opportunity to start anywhere in 2021. As for Tua, I bet he doesn't finish the year as the Dolphins' starter.

This is where we disagree. I don't believe Darnold has a single elite NFL QB trait, which is the same reason I don't think Tua is ever going to pan out. He's got an average (at best) NFL arm, average size, average mobility, below average intangibles, and below average ball security. I know he's still young, but I just don't see the upside with Darnold. And for the record, he stunk his last year at USC; he was a turnover factory on a team with plenty of talent, and he's continued to turn the ball over too much the NFL. So what's your basis for believing Wilson won't be any good? You've still not answered that question.

Nope, not going to let you move the goalposts, which you absolutely love to do. You started this by saying that the Jets would be foolish to draft Wilson. You supported your argument by pointing to several recent first round QB busts, while conveniently ignoring guys like Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. The issue isn't whether Wilson provides an immediate upgrade over Darnold, who sucked for three years, although I certainly think there's a good chance he will. The question is whether the Jets should take Wilson at 2 because he'll be a better pro than Darnold. I don't pretend to watch a ton of tape on college QBs, although I've seen Wilson play a couple times. But NFL analysts I trust, especially Chris Simms, believe Wilson is going to be a great NFL QB and will have an immediate impact. If Wilson is anything close to what we're hearing about him, then the Jets would be idiots not to take him at 2 and, to answer your new argument as well, it would be hard for him NOT to be an immediate upgrade from Darnold. Because Darnold blows, and has since his last year at USC.

Not the same roster and not the same coach. The Jets will look very different this year, especially if they draft Wilson and ditch Darnold. If you think Darnold wasn’t part of the problem, then you haven’t watched the last four years of his career. He blows.

Let me ask again: Do you have any specific insights into Zack Wilson that make you think he will not succeed as an NFL QB? Or are you just projecting based on the fact that some other first round quarterbacks didn’t pan out recently?

They sucked, ergo Wilson sucks? That’s your argument?

The Dolphins are the biggest threat this year. They were 10-6 last year, Flores can coach, and they have a ton of high draft picks again this year (thanks O’Brien). On the other hand, they are apparently going to roll with Tua, and Josh has their number. Patriots are apparently going to try to be a ground and pound team this year, and it’s going to be awful to watch. Jets will win a lot more games this year, but they are a year or so away from being a real threat. If they draft Wilson and he is as advertised, they could be the long-term problem in the AFCE.