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Yep. It’s a self-inflicted wound.

There is absolutely zero evidence to support this statement, especially if we are talking about a quarter full, outdoor stadium, where people are spaced apart. Pure superstition. With regard to your statement that this sad state of affairs "can't go on forever", well, I wish that were true, but the current restrictions no longer constitute a reasonable response to any actual public health threat, and they probably never did. The population has been driven to hysteria by massive disinformation and flat-out scare tactics from the media. Things will not be returning to normal any time soon...

We don’t “have to open with no fans.” There is zero science behind any of it. If we don’t have fans at Bills Stadium, it will be because someone in the organization CHOSE to lock out the fans, for no good reason.

Yep. Seven months in and they don't even have a reliable test yet. Imagine what that says about how close we are to having a safe and effective vaccine. Time to move on with life...

Wow, all those "infections" among the supposedly more vulnerable cohort, and yet apparently no one seriously ill, much less dead. Hmmm....

Now let’s see if he can win a game against Belichick...

And many are marginal guys who probably would not have made a roster anyway...

You mean back when Fauci and the CDC were telling people not wear them?

Other than the people who died because of Cuomo's disastrous nursing home policy, there isn't a scrap of evidence that any American has "died [from CV19] when they didn't need to." And I'm guessing there will be far, far more people who will have permanently lost their jobs and businesses than families "bankrupted by astronomical medical bills from battling coronavirus." The notion that people living their lives without masks is "deliberately putting another person in danger"--like driving drunk or indiscriminately firing a gun in public--is frankly just insane and is not supported by any scientific evidence.

Seat belts are proven beyond a doubt to save lives; masks aren't, and neither are forced closures of schools and businesses, which have never before in history been imposed on such a scale to contain a respiratory illness. There is zero cost associated with wearing a seat belt; that's not the case with masks and the other measures that have been mandated by our rulers. In fact, there was never a serious effort to try to measure the short or long-term costs of school and business closures on those effected by them or on society at large. The main problem is that the media has been entirely dishonest about how this virus affects different demographic groups. Although there is still much that is unknown, the evidence so far is that, for the vast majority of people, CV19 is no more dangerous than the seasonal flu, and for the group of people we obsess over on this website-- healthy people 35 and under--it is far less dangerous than the flu. The relatively large number of healthy young athletes opting out of the NFL season shows that the media's campaign has succeeded, and/or that a lot of guys didn't really want to play football.

I disagree with virtually every “fact” asserted in this post. The greatest damage that has and will have come from this virus (or rather our response to it) is the baseless fear has been instilled in a generation of humans, who are being trained by the media and by brain-dead politicians to regard their fellow humans as walking biohazards. Fine. Then shelter at home for as long as you like, and wear a mask every time you emerge from your “shelter”. Just don’t try to force others do likewise.

He’s not retiring, and is expected to make a full recovery.

People have been dying from viruses for thousands of years. Even though we now know more about viruses and how they make people sick, some people will continue to die from them. People who die from viruses have not been killed by others’ stupidity, but from their own misfortune. It sucks, but stopping life as we know it won’t change any of that.

It’s not hard to comprehend. That’s why he’ll be kept away from others for a while. Not a big deal, or any reason to cancel anything... Of course, your worst case scenario hypothetical also assumes asymptomatic persons can spread the virus...

Big surprise...healthy 52-year old is “infected” with The Deadly Virus...and is still healthy. Quick! Cancel the season!!! Imagine if we routinely tested healthy people for the flu or any other virus...

Rodriguez is expected to make a full recovery and his symptoms were described as “mild”. I’m not sure how the decision was made to shut him down for the season, but yep, while we’re at it, let’s shut down MLB based on some “cases”. And there is zero evidence that 300-pound 25-year old NFL linemen, as opposed to 45-year old 300 pound couch potatoes, are at elevated risk. I’d be shocked if that were the case, regardless what the ridiculous BMI “formula” says.

Ok, my language was a little sloppy. It’s the mean, not the average, but I’m not sure it makes much difference here. It does not appear that the survey was multiple choice, but it’s a little hard to tell. The overall point is that the general public VASTLY overestimates the danger from this virus, and the blame for that lies squarely with the mainstream media, and some disgraceful politicians, which have inundated us with stories meant terrify, while downplaying, ignoring or downright censoring stories that suggest it might not be so bad after all. The clearest example of that is the media’s refusal to honestly explain the demographics of the disease and the fact that the overwhelming number of the seriously ill and dead are very old and very sick, and that the virus is significantly LESS dangerous to the young and healthy than the seasonal flu. How many media outlets have reported the fact—easily ascertainable from the state’s Coronavirus website—that not a single one of the 9 MILLION kids under 18 in California has died of CV 19? Instead, they endlessly report dubious stories about extreme outlier cases and “outbreaks” of “infection” in which few if any “victims” actually came down with anything worse than a cold. Lastly, the media and politicians have seriously underplayed the economic and other costs of the shutdowns that have been forced on us. Most have never even attempted to weigh the costs vs the benefits of the draconian approach taken by most Western countries. IMO, these costs are profound, difficult to measure and quite possibly irreversible. People are quick to point out the possible (although entirely unproven) “long term effects” of the virus, but no one wants to talk about the incalculable long term effects on society from, for example, keeping young people out of school, discontinuing organized sports, and convincing a generation of kids that their fellow citizens should be regarded as biohazards.

Interesting, and makes sense. I doubt very many guys who risk life and limb every time they step on the field are overly concerned about a virus from which, statistically, they have very little risk.

Why would Stafford opt out if he’s already got the disease and is asymptomatic—or even if he did have symptoms? That means he’s at basically zero risk for the foreseeable future...makes no sense.

See above

Here you go: https://www.kekstcnc.com/media/2793/kekstcnc_research_covid-19_opinion_tracker_wave-4.pdf

Thanks. There was no “misinterpretation”, but as I acknowledged, it was a small sample size.

I’ll see if I can find it. It was a pretty small sample, and included results from other countries as well, but the results nonetheless give a sense of the extent to which the public has been conditioned to believe things are far worse than they really are.

Medical professionals and scientists recognize that the whole BMI thing is nonsense when applied to larger scale humans. Even jumbo NFL linemen are highly fit when compared to average people. I’d be shocked if they were at elevated risk for CV19.

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