MattM

I said nothing on your other points because they were ridiculous, particularly the point about the Hughes tomahawk play. Football is a game of emotion and to say that had Hughes stripped a properly inflated ball leading to a Buffalo touchdown it would have had no impact on an otherwise relatively close game doesn't pass the sniff test to any rational person. Glad to finally get an answer on good old Alphonzo. So I guess if Marcell gets any time off at all for his citation level offense you'll be leading the charge about how unfair it is compared to punishment given (or, more accurately, not given) to NE**'s players.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, I see. How's that non-existent Dennard suspension working for 'ya? I should elaborate on that last bit. About a year ago WEO and I were discussing Alphonzo Dennard's (a Pats** DB) lack of League suspension for a DUI plea that got him a 60 day sentence as it was also a probation violation. WEO said just wait until the season starts before drawing conclusions about League favoritism. Lo and behold the season came and went without a suspension, probably because to suspend him the first four while Browner was also out on suspension would leave the Cheats-** bereft of corners. Dennard was cut last week--I'm betting his suspension is coming a season late on someone else's nickel.

Which is why delusional Pats** fans telling Brady to fight this in the courts will be sorely disappointed. He won't open himself up to a civil subpoena of those records. He made a calculated decision that stonewalling was better for him than turning them over. Remember from the Hernandez trial that coaches are not supposed to be communicating with players during the offseason so a simple series of texts or emails from BB would put them both in the soup, for ex.

Anyone else think that with multiple cheating scandals each involving multiple personnel it's time to have the NFL install a permanent monitor in the Pats** organization with investigative power to make sure things are done on the up and up? That's what a govt regulator might do with a recidivist corporate violator that can't seem to police itself.

I recently read a story where Larry Csonka found a copy of the Raiders game plan in the Fins locker room before a game and gave it to an assistant coach. Miami went on to lose that game and Csonka later went to Shula and said "How could we lose--we had their game plan?" and Shula said "I threw it out. We don't win that way here." Contrast that to Belicheat and stories of his espionage and you may be able to understand why he holds Belicheat in such low regard.

As I said to my wife a few years back when the camera was panning the New England** sideline, they all look like they'd cut their own grandmother's throat for a few extra dollars. There was just a seriously skeezy look from their assembled staff, the kind that makes your neck hairs stand up. Maybe two of those guys were McNally and Jastremzki, who knows?

First of all, on the Colts point, as Sharp and others have noted and as common sense would dictate, dome teams (like the Colts) fumble at a much lower rate naturally than those teams that play outdoors, particularly outdoors in bad weather. That explains why the Pats** are such outliers--their numbers alone are more comparable to dome teams. He goes into that in detail his analysis. DC Tom and others have poked some holes in his analysis, but personally I think his general point still stands. Maybe we'll find out going forward--like if the Pats**' fumbling stats come back to earth next year. You asked for an example of a specific play and I gave you one--a big one in fact. You're telling me that a huge strip sack play like that back in New England's own end (it was in the second quarter on the Pats**' 23 yard line when the game was 7-0) that might possibly have gone for a TD as bouncing ball strip sacks deep in a backfield often do would have made no difference in a game that was within one score with 5 minutes to play? Give me a break. You have been mightily absent on these Brady threads, but are now here in full-throated defense of your favorite team. I just have to ask--are you on their payroll? Yet another data point in full view this week showing that the cheatingest organization in sports hasn't changed its spots one whit. One of us would have predicted that and one of us predicts that this isn't the last of such scandals for the boys from Foxboro that we'll see. That organization rots from the top on down, as more and more folks are realizing. Hey, now that Dennard got cut last week by the Pats** he might actually get that time off we were talking about last year for his DUI plea that got him a 60 day jail sentence, but no League punishment? Remember that? Only a season or so too late (and, importantly, on someone else's nickel other than Bob Kraft's).

Sounds to me from that article like the Chargers were cleared and the League clarified its position after the fact on a previously non-existent rule there. Not really the same thing.

For the 85th time, that's not what he was asked. He and his lawyers were allowed to collect the requested data--the NFL would never even see the phone. This happens all the time, every day in litigations and investigations of every kind. His lawyers have a duty to keep it confidential. They breach that, they get disbarred and get massively sued. Full stop.

And instead of a strip sack fumbled all Jerry got that game was a 15 yard penalty on a key third down for hitting his own teammate on the head. Typical Bills-Pats* game in the Belicheat-Kraft era, no?

Thanks for showing up. Here's one that may have made a big difference in a game and a Bills game at that--Jerry Hughes' massive tomahawk chop on Brady in the home game last year. On seeing the replay at the time in the stadium I wondered how the heck the ball didn't go flying. Now I know why not!

When do individual game tickets for STH go on sale (or did I miss that)? I may need some extras for the Giants game.

Either on this scandal or perhaps other currently unknown ones. I also wonder if the request was phrased broadly enough to cover "any and all violations of NFL rules" or some variant. If so, that might go a long way towards explaining why he didn't agree to turn over his records--it may have opened even bigger cans of worms for him and his team*. Hey, anyone seen WEO lately? Do we need a post topic on that? Funny how our resident Pats* and Brady* fan hasn't seemed to wade into any of this.

This^ People keep mistakenly saying he needed to turn over his phone. He didn't. All he needed to do was turn over texts and communications relating to this matter and with certain folks (the two schlubs, for ex.). He and his lawyers could do the searching and turn it over. If he's worried about his lawyers seeing it, he could simply allow one senior partner there access to his phone to do the searching. If there is a leak of non-related info he would know pretty clearly who's responsible and that lawyer would face disbarment, a major civil suit and probably never work again. Pretty simple really. Personally, I suspect there was lots on that phone relating both to this matter and quite possibly other cheating. Remember, for ex, that his "best friend", a trainer with a degree from some Eastern medicine school in LA's correspondence school you've never heard of, supposedly keeps him in better shape than modern medicine can as per the recent NYT profile of him. Perhaps his "regimen" details are in that phone. Remember, too, that in the Anthony Galea (a doctor convicted of administering HGH and steroids to pro athletes) trial the good doctor visited Boston twice in August the year after Brady suffered his knee injury and administered treatment on Aug 10 and Aug 28 or so to an unnamed Boston athlete. I don't believe that athlete was ever identified. All solely for potential examples' sake, and not saying anyone knows for sure that Brady or other Pats* cheated in other ways, but who knows what's on that phone? We just know that Brady wanted absolutely no one to see it.

Anything less than 8 games is a slap on the wrist. Gostkowski refuseed to cooperate, too, so should also get at least a couple of games off.

Nice try, but PFT reported that the union wasn't involved in representing Brafy here. I'd say you're on about your 15th strike, but keep swinging, "champ"...,,

I believe the report pretty clearly states that the gauges used here were found to have worked just fine.

Let us also not forget practicing players who were on IR (Ross Tucker, who played for them, as well as the Bills, Cowboys and 'Skins, said that Pats* players told him "Everyone does this" to which he replied, "No, we're the only ones doing this."), communications going out at Gillette for opposing coaches at key times (two head coaches, Del Rio and Marinelli, made this claim), micing up players to capture audibles, a team full of aging vets, one of whom was caught using HGH (only because he was dumb enough to us his own name and address to ship them to), etc. This is not an isolated incident.

Any ideas as to what is on TB's phone that he so badly (at the risk of up to a year off) wanted to protect? Remember, he didn't need to turn the phone over to Wells, he was allowed to produce just the texts on the deflategate topic and communications log with the relevant folks involved there, but still chose not to. Remember, too, that the only folks who might have access to the phone were HIS lawyers, who have an ethical duty to not say anything to ANYONE about what they saw on the phone, at the risk of disbarment if they violate that. Personally, my best guess is that there are things on there either relating to the deflation and/or even other similar cheating-related items, but who knows, since he wouldn't let anyone see anything. I think it's certainly fair to infer that there are bad things for him on the phone. Seems pretty obvious to me. What do others think?

As you can see from the report, they asked for the balls to be at the legal limit. If so, why the need for a needle at all? The mere fact that they gave the locker room equipment guy (who is NOT the guy there responsible for prepping the balls, but is instead the guy in the room with the refs at ball measurement time) a needle says all you need to know here. There is only one conclusion from that--they planned to use the needle to lower the pressure in the balls below the allowable lower limit. Full stop. Case closed.

But they did EXACTLY THAT in the Spygate case--they sent a memo saying "don't do this" and yet the Cheats* did exactly what they were told not to do. How many times do they get a pass on crap like this? Ridiculous. During Spygate two separate NFL Compet, Cttee members told the NYT that it was just the Patriots* being brought before them on rules violation allegations over and over....

On the first point, his lawyers likely would have had to make some kind of affirmation about their search being full and complete, which is probably a big part of why your scenario didn't happen. A major law firm is not going to lie for a client, even Tom Brady. All of which again speaks volumes about what was probably on the phone (nothing good for Tom). On the second point, I was able to access the article this morning, but couldn't share it onFB. Now even the link doesn't work for me and I checked the mobile version of the Onion's webpage and can't find it. Add that to the list of odd, along with the various media outlets (many of which (like ESPN and NBC) have League ties and contracts) leaping to the Pats** defense.

Brady and his lawyers were give the option of producing the phone log/texts themselves without turning the phone over. He refused. I wonder why? Remember that we know he did reach out to the two schlubs (repeatedly) after the story broke--we know that from them. His refusal alone should be worth 8 games off. On the interview point, as new evidence surfaces investigators often need to go back and talk again to witnesses--common practice. Here interestingly they wanted to talk to McNally about some newly discovered texts from Brady. See a pattern here? You quote Kraft's response statement as if it were gospel. Simple question--have you read any of the report? If not, why not? The beauty of the Internet age is that it's all there to see for those who want to see it.

Why didn't he turn over his texts/call log to them? The League said he didn't have to turn over his phone and were only interested in his communications on this matter and with those individuals--they were willing to let Brady and his lawyers do the record combing to come up with those, but he still said no. Similarly, why didn't the Pats* allow the interview of McNally about communications with Brady? In fact, they didn't even pass the request along to McNally or his lawyer. Those are all the acts of the innocent, right? Also just have to love the smarmy "We good, bro" vibe of Brady to those guys after they got caught. Guys that clearly hated his guts before that, probably because he was such a jerk to them before he needed their cooperation. I've read the Exec Summary of the report, and it takes a special kind of homer (read: delusional) to hold out any hope that his or her hero(es) were blameless here, from the top of the organization (Kraft (for refusal to fully cooperate) and Brady especially) to the bottom (those two schlubs who did the dirty work). What's interesting is that I tried to share that on FB and the link doesn't work (it shows the wrong article). Not to sound conspiracy theorish, but I've never had that problem before. It linked to two different articles, too, in the two ways you can share on FB.

Anyone seen WEO? Busy coming up with more excuses for the Cheats*? LMFAO! Hey, WEO, maybe Dennard is about to be suspended after all for his DUI plea in Dec, 2013 (about a year late!), since the Cheats* cut him this week!