MattM

Just awful, so far. Looks like the D at least is running for the bus with 3 games left.

And remember that Guerrero was the guy the FTC told to stop peddling a fake cancer treatment regimen on the basis of a supposed study that never actually existed. That came out a couple of months ago. So what else is new--more shady dealings by the Pats*. No one should be surprised at this point. And if he got a ringing endorsement from Junior Seau, what more could one ask for?

Horrible penalties, horrible offensive play calling in the second half (including the last pick) and horrible execution on O ((also including that last play). A recipe for failure.

I'm a couple of years older than you, so understand where you're coming from on this. In the '70's when I delivered the D&C on snowy mornings I used to fantasize about the OJ-led Bills in the Super Bowl. Never then did I imagine how much it might actually hurt to get there and lose like they did. What a ride, though! My wife asked last night "were those old teams really that good?" Yes, they were, which in some ways made it all the more painful. 8 HOFers and still didn't win it. Anyone know if this is available on DVD? Would make a great gift for many folks.

I know what you mean--my last Bills victory was the Carolina game 6 or 7 years ago! I'm starting to think the Bills will pay me to stay home.....

I've been lucky enough to get to about half the stadiums in the League as the son half of father and son trips over the last 15 years. Favorites Green Bay Pittsburgh KC Oakland--friendly and knowledgeable old school fans Middle of the road Chicago New Orleans Denver Dallas (mainly based on size alone) Carolina Bottom NYJ/G Houston San Fran (candlestick) Philly (the Vet about 20 years ago) Jacksonville All rated purely on normal stadium game day. Had a great time at some of my least faves by visiting good friends there, the company elevating the experience, so to speak. Looking forward to trying to see the rest.

Correct, but has a high cap number, I believe, that the team would like to get down via a longer-term deal....

Was fortunate enough to meet him briefly his rookie year at a NYC Bills Backers party--seemed like a very nice guy, kind of just happy to be in the League and very gracious with the fans. Good to see him representing the Bills for this award.

I thought both the Robey call and the Maclin push off were pretty bad calls today. It cheeses me off to no end when there's a late flag like the Robey call and they either can't or don't show a replay.

For once I agree with WEO--these guys should at least get the game feed (ideally with a DVR) in the booth. If they see as much as we do, then it was obvious that those two plays needed to be challenged.

The commentators predicted 1st round.

What will Peter King write about now? Poor Peter loved Chip so much that he was literally running a weekly "Chip Kelly is the smartest man (other than my other mancrush Billy B.) in the NFL" piece in MMQB calked something like "the Chip Kelly Quote of the Week".....,

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Easley

I'm afraid you're right

Seriously , why don't they say that? Look no further than opening night vs Pittsburgh this year.

What they should have said (as it would be equally or more accurate ) is " lots of teams have had headset issues in Fixboro "...,

Headsets not working ? What a coincidence....

Anyone surprised by the BS, game changing call? I'm only surprised it happened so early....

Now if we can just take care of business tomorrow night....

Collins is (or at least was) a very underrated player on that D. On a personal level, glad he's getting some recognition, as he's a very good LB, but also glad he'll miss tomorrow night's game,

It was 2013, troll--sorry. Here's the video--try to tell us that's not holding. Also sounds like (as usual in these matters involving the Cheats*) it was but one of many pro-Pats* bad calls that day (quelle surprise, as the French would say): http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2013/10/13/4835644/saints-patriots-2013-referees-holding-tom-brady-junior-galette I also suppose you didn't see the obviously blown hands to the face call last week either. My only question for Pats* fans is who they will root for next once either the Cheats* get exposed or Brady retires. Back to the Cowboys, Giants or Steelers, or maybe whoever's hot next? I lived in Boston in the early '90's when they had 19k season ticket holders, so yeah, there's a strong tradition of fan support there.....

No one's saying that, troll, but every Bills fan can name you chapter and verse of a fairly large number of games where the Pats* have gotten the benefit of many questionable calls. My personal favorites: "Just Give It to Them" The 2006 or 2007 game where Wilfork took out Losman's knee and which was effectively decided by a number of dubious pro-Pats* calls that were so bad TMQ wrote about them in his column that week The 2007 Monday Mighter against the Ravens where the refs were throwing pre-emotive flags on that final drive just to make sure they scored The Tuck Rule The 2004 AFC CG which I had on my VCR and replayed over and over again as on successive plays in full view of a ref Pars* DB's grabbed handfuls of Marcus Pollard's jersey so violently his head snapped back Last year's Saints win where replay showed Solder wrapping his arms fully around the DE's neck (again in full view of a ref) on the game winning play Jerry Hughes' 15 yards for headslapping his own teammate on a key stop last year Or even last week's game where the refs called an unnamed Giant for hands to the face on a key 3rd down stop when the replay clearly showed it was the Cheats* center with the full hands to the face (uncalled as usual) We could go on and on. It's happened enough that anyone with a pulse and a brain can see a pattern. Doesn't seem to happen anywhere near this much for any other team I'm aware of. It's to the point as multiple threads on this board show that any time we play you guys we collectively get that same "here it comes" feeling again and again.....

See Donaghy, Tim and Serie A Scandal, among others (most recently including Lenny Dyskstra's allegations that he blackmailed umps to get a smaller strike zone after hiring PIs to investigate them). Wouldn't take a large conspiracy of owners--just one. Wouldn't take all 120 refs, just the scheduling guy (see Serie A Scandal) and some. See Walt Coleman's Wikipedia entry where when I last looked, 3 of his 8 listed controversial calls were pro-Pats*, and that didn't include for some reason the infamous "Just Give It to Them" game. What are the odds of one guy, in a League of 32 teams, having such a large portion of his controversial calls being on behalf of one team? Not saying it's happening (none of us can know that), but just saying that it's not impossible.

My favorite was against the Texans about ten years ago. Very late in the 4th (under 2 mins), Pats* down by 7 and Brady heaves a long ball into the end zone from midfield which is picked off to seemingly end the game. In fact, the announcers are talking game over when all of a sudden, about 20 seconds after the play, way upfield a hanky appears. They call something way away from the play that the announcers didn't understand or have film on. Pats* go on to score on that drive and win in OT, if my memory is correct. That was at about the beginning of my personal suspicion about that team, which has been repeatedly borne out since.