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Good point, hadn't considered that. Not sure I envisioned Dorsey getting a HC position after one year as OC, but I guess if we blow the doors off of everyone anything is possible.

Also makes you wonder where Jimmy G ends up. For some reason I think of them as similar in talent and ceiling.

Who knows! I guess we'll find out.

Interesting. Can't say I know anything about him or whether this would be a good move, so I need other people to tell me how I should feel about it.

But they already hired Luke Getsy for that position...

No idea who that is... EDIT: Former Panthers OC, interviewed recently with Bears for an unspecified position but apparently might not be taking it... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/01/report-bears-interviewing-joe-brady-for-spot-on-coaching-staff/

Gotta learn somehow...

Chad Hall for passing game coordinator?

The big debate, of course, is whether the Bills did the right thing by giving away the #10 pick to KC for Mahomes, thereby giving away a QB who wins a Super Bowl, wins league and Super Bowl MVP, and is established as one of the top franchise QBs in the league for the next decade-plus. Most of us here love Josh enough to be ecstatic that he's our franchise QB for the future, and still prefer him over Mahomes even though he hasn't achieved quite the same accolades as Mahomes so far and the Bills haven't yet won a Super Bowl with him. Still, there are always those nagging questions whether the Bills would have won a Super Bowl with Mahomes by now, or whether Josh isn't quite at the same elite Championship-level as Mahomes. To me, the past two weeks have put anything left in that debate to rest. What have the past two weeks shown us? Josh is every bit as clutch and elite as Mahomes. In this biggest game, on the biggest stage, Josh was a superstar, making jaw-dropping play after play and sealing the deal (so we thought) with an incredible display of poise and precision in driving the Bills to two huge TDs in the final 2:00. He matched Mahomes toe-to-toe, big play for big play. Throughout the playoffs he has played at the highest level any QB could be expected to play. If Mahomes was on the Bills, they'd still be in the same place today. Josh didn't lose that game against KC, coaching and defense lost it. If Mahomes was in there for us, he couldn't really have done any better—coaching and defense would still have lost it for them. Having Mahomes would have made no difference. The criticism of Allen that he occasionally becomes "sugar-high" Allen and loses his poise is valid, but it's been a long time since we've seen it. He's learning to overcome it and maintain his confidence and leadership. On the other hand, we just saw Mahomes do that very thing—he lost his composure, had serious mental breakdowns, and played like absolute dog ***** in the biggest game of the season on the biggest stage. Mahomes is susceptible to it too—and he can be just as susceptible to bad coaching or playcalling. Mahomes does have a Super Bowl win, Super Bowl MVP, and league MVP under his belt, but what we saw in the last two weeks is that Josh is every bit as good as Mahomes is, our coaching and defensive breakdowns are what's holding us back, and Mahomes is capable of having as disastrous a performance as anyone in the big game under the big lights. I doubt we'd have a Super Bowl win with Mahomes by now. Obviously we can't say for sure what the counterfactual would be, but I for one am 1000% behind having Josh and Tre over Mahomes. I don't think there's an argument left that it was a mistake to trade the pick away to KC.

Or sometimes how Daboll would see Josh struggling and start calling some designed QB runs to settle him and the offense down.

But would we have to have known you before to be disgusted?

Who knows, maybe this means Josh will help him develop as an OC by working together with him, rather than bringing an experienced guy in to dictate his offense to the team.

Per Bills.

There's always this one, too...

I don't often do it but I had to take a look. I have to admit, it was pretty therapeutic.

While I do agree with you that halftime adjustments are overblown for the most part, I think there's something to it in this game. The Bengals started out mostly in man defense and were getting destroyed; later on, they switched to more zone and things settled down. The problem is that they basically dared KC to run the ball, and for whatever reason the Chiefs decided to just keep throwing it. It was an adjustment by Cincy that had its risks, but because KC stuck to what had been working for them and *didn't* adjust, it worked out for Cincy in the end. Agree...though it was only partially the play call. He was looking to the end zone but couldn't find anything. What Mahomes did then was a complete mental breakdown, no other way to put it. He even thought he had a timeout left!

I'll be happy when I no longer have to see the Mahomes/Rogers State Farm Insurance ads.

My god, you’re right. I hadn’t even noticed until you said that, and I’m one of the worst at not celebrating until I’m sure there are no flags…

The replies in this thread did not disappoint.

One of the worst feelings as a fan is not necessarily the heartbreaking loss—though yes, that's pretty bad—it's when you experience the one loss during the season that signals to everyone that, once again, and definitively, the drafted QB, or head coach hire, or GM just isn't good enough to get the job done anymore. You know you're staring at yet another long-term QB project, or another head coach hire, or a new GM and rebuild, that's going to take years before you know again if they picked the right guys. After 17 straight years of that, I couldn't take it. I hated feeling that same sense of hopelessness and having to watch a years-long process start all over again. It sucks bad that we missed a golden opportunity this year, but with Allen and McBeane, I feel like we're just going to reload and give it another great shot next year, and for many years after. That's a pretty good feeling, all things considered.

If Josh Allen hadn't slipped on 4th down against the Titans, it would all have been ours.

What if Shoen insisted on getting Singletary (plus whatever) in return for Barkley, instead of Moss? How would you feel about that?

Never really thought seriously about investing in someone like Barkley, but you make some pretty good arguments there.

Did you see the acrobatics that Diggs needed to perform on the 2-point conversion? Terrible.

Shoen is already stealing our guys away. Will it become Buffalo East?