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I think he should let someone like me speak as an average fan from Utah, rather than assuming what one might think or say.

Neither of those links work for me. Also, In.

That actually seems to make some sense.

Yep, this.

Not necessarily. According to the Forbes list from 2013 (the one where Buffalo was listed with a "team value" of $870 million), only 7 teams were listed with a value over $1.3 billion—Dallas, New England, Washington, NY Giants, Houston, NY Jets, Philadelphia). The article was written a year ago, and at the time they said the values of NFL teams went up by about 5% from the previous year, so those numbers are likely inflated again by another 5% or so right now. But generally speaking, those numbers are around what they are now, so most teams were not already valued at more than $1.3 billion. If the Bills, valued at roughly $900 million, are sold for $1.3 billion, that's nearly 150% of their current estimated value. Do the other teams now reap a similar benefit? If the league's most valuable team, the Cowboys, were valued at $2.3 million in 2013 (more than 2.5x the value of the Bills), and the Bills now sell for $1.3 billion, do the Cowboys maintain that 2.5-fold value over the Bills and are now estimated to be worth $3.4 billion?

Me before posting this topic: Me after reading this topic: Me right now after thinking about it some more:

Technically, I thought the official bids have not yet been submitted. Those were to just get in the door as a finalist before the final bids are placed.

That's what I figured, but then the question is: does the value of all 31 other teams instantly shoot up, leaving the Bills still as the third-least valuable team?

Is it really, though? Isn't appraisal at least in part based on the price that other houses (and yours) have sold for? If I bought my house for $100K 10 years ago, and I could sell it now for $300K, isn't the house worth $300K? So would it be fair to say that, even if the Bills sold for $1.3 billion, their value would still be considered in the bottom 3 of the league?

I'm definitely no businessperson, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I'm left pondering this question. After the sale, what happens to the actual "value" of the Buffalo Bills? Right now, Forbes values the Bills at around $870 million, which IIRC is third-lowest in the league. Obviously, the sale will go for much more than that. If the Bills are sold for, say $1.3 billion, does the value of the Bills then become $1.3 billion? In the Buff News article from today, one person had this comment at the bottom, which I think is appropriate: After the sale, do we continue to talk about the "book value" of the Bills as $870 million? Or does it now shoot up to $1.3 billion? Do the Bills now become one of the more valuable teams in the league (which seems silly), or does the value of all other teams now become higher as a result, keeping the Bills near the bottom of the league in terms of value? How do things like this work?

Love it. Sounds like a one year extension, but it's totally worth it. Don't think this means anything for Spiller. One of the best Bills ever!

That looks awesome!

Thanks!

That was one hell of a game.

Totally with you on that. On top of all that, Dallas was undefeated at the time, and the Bills were struggling underdogs who nobody expected to win. Then they come out and make big play after big play -- two INTs for TDs, a punt return for TD, crazy stuff, the crowd completely delirious, and Dallas taking it all the way to the last seconds. Thrilling, exciting, heartbreaking from start to finish, in front of a national audience. I just don't recall the no punt game coming close to that level of pure, sustained, unexpected excitement.

Hard to say, as I haven't seen him myself. But from what I hear, Seantrel has been holding his own. You have to think the staff is at least somewhat confident in him, given they haven't brought anyone else in yet.

Yeah...Norwood missed a 47-yard FG wide right. Seriously. Should have been 54-3. Apparently it was a bad omen. For me, I'd go with mrags...the Dallas Monday Night loss was probably the craziest, most exciting game I've seen in a long time, from start to finish. Sucks that we had to lose, but there wasn't a moment of that game that wasn't crazy, right from the moment it started. I've never seen or heard the home crowd quite like that, at least not in many many years. The last-second win vs. New England a couple years ago was also incredibly exciting, especially when Florence walked into the end zone to take the lead late in the game. Another time when the home crowd was just absolutely bonkers. But the first half was a real snoozer. Start to finish, that Monday Night loss is hard to beat. I do remember the no-punt game, and that has to be up there as well. But the Monday Night loss had all those factors -- it was Monday Night, nationally televised, the crowd was completely out of their minds, all of the big plays from start to finish...man, I was so completely wasted after that one.

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Awesome, thanks!

Be very careful of back surgery. There is no evidence to suggest that it improves symptoms any more than traditional (eg, PT) approaches. It's different when the problem causes significant nerve issues (such as weakness or incontinence), and in those cases surgery is important, but that is rare. In the absence of that, I would try many different approaches before I'd begin to consider surgery. Acupuncture is a very valid alternative, and I would consider it. I had a disc problem at L5-S1 dating back to 2003, and I tried a lot of things, including chiropracty (which did nothing for me). Steroid injections helped with the pain, but those are very temporary and the main reason for getting them, besides providing temporary pain relief, is so you can be comfortable enough to do the therapy to strengthen your core and back muscles. Physical therapy is tough to stick with, but it can be helpful. Yoga or pilates is also excellent, although it can be difficult to get started when you're having acute pain. But this is the path I encourage. It has helped me tremendously. I still have some pain in my back every now and then, but it doesn't interfere with my life and I can do everything normally. It's a long road back, but if you can get to where the acute pain is subsided, you can begin to get back to normality. Well, as normal as someone like you can be.

You youngins. I was class of 85.

Awesome, that sounds like a good one. Think I'll have to try Break n Eggs as well. Thanks for the great tips, everyone.

Wow, some excellent ideas. Thanks, everyone! I'll have to plan this out carefully. I like the idea of Crow's Nest since I grew up partly in Getzville and I want to swing by there for a bit. Danny's South is a great idea too -- anyone know who typically goes there on Saturdays?

So I'm going to be back in town for the home opener (yeah baby!!) and I'm trying to design an awesome weekend food tour to go along with the game. So I'm looking to this group for your top suggestions, because, you know, you're the experts. I'll arrive late afternoon Friday, so right now I've got some openings: Friday dinner: want to do a fish fry, looking for a good suggestion Saturday breakfast: open Saturday lunch: Ted's dogs Saturday dinner: open Sunday: game day, tailgating (grilling) with cousins (Bills win) Sunday dinner: pizza and wings with cousins (location TBD) Monday morning: departure, diet ensues So basically, I'm looking for a great fish fry, a great breakfast place, and one great suggestion for a dinner place to round things out. Ready? Go.

Guess we don't give Chandler much credit for coming back from a serious knee injury and in his first year back has a career year and leads the team in receptions. If only it took more than a year for someone to come back fully from a serious knee injury...