Saint Doug

Well, there you have it folks. It's hard to trade in the NFL. I also like how he used the existence if the salary cap to explain why they haven't been able to get a deal done. Is Doug aware how much below the cap we are?

Dead money is looked as a savior to Littmann. It serves to pad against hitting the salary cap floor and makes us appear that we are spending more money than we actually are by shrinking our available cap room. Just imagine if we didn't have this dead money, we'd be nearly $40 million under the cap and still balking at giving money to Byrd!

What do Shawn Nelson, Derek Fine, Kevin Everett, Tim Euhus, & Bobby Collins all have in common? They were all TEs picked mid-round by the Bills over the last 15 years. We're just not good at identifying mid-round TE talent. And Gronk slid due to injury concerns. With no past injuries, he wouldn't have been mid-round (if you consider the 2nd round as mid-round), but would have been a 1st round pick. So, if we want to find the next Gronk, we're best drafting one in the 1st.

I never said, nor believe, Sams reason for playing in the NFL is to stare at guys in the shower. That said, since he's sexually attracted to men it's only natural for him to be well aware of his surroundings in the shower. A lot more so than if he was heterosexual.

Geez, it seems like the Browns FO really wanted other people besides Pettine (McDaniels, Schiano) and as a result, probably because he stuck around the longest, Pettine became the default HC. It must hurt when word's leaking out that the owner didn't even want to hire you and the guy that did was fired a month after your hiring. Good luck with that, Pettine.

What would you be sexually attracted to more: a woman taking a piss/poop or a woman lathered up in a shower? Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Really? I think a bathroom as used for moving your bowels or whatever is a completely different than a bunch of guys showering. People go in to bathrooms, take a piss/poop, and leave. There can be no possible sexual attraction in this. A bunch of people showering? There's no way he's not going to check the other guys out in this situation. If you were at a nude beach or in a shower room full of naked women, can you actually say you wouldn't be checking them out? Otherwise, this guy is courageous, smart, and would want a man like this on my team. I think he would be a great contributor.

Just when I thought the Pettine hiring had the Browns turning the corner, this happens. Gotta feel sorry for Pettine at this point. It must be rather strange to have the person who hired you last month gets the pink slip after really doing nothing bad over the last month.

That's perfectly fine. People who do great work are usually standing on the shoulders of giants. Pettine didn't create the defense he ran, very few people do nowadays. It really doesn't matter if Pete Carroll or the good Lord Himself designed Seattle's defense, as long as Quinn can make a carbon copy of it and successfully run it (which he has proven he can do) he'll be a huge asset to a team looking for a new HC.

I have to laugh at this. They were so desperate, they hired an inferior candidate. Seatlle's defense is downright scary, ours wasn't (at least not yet). If I was a Browns fan, I would be under my covers crying.

Which is another reason (as if we needed more) why we never should've drafted CJ.

Greggo had the much better defenses and he's recreated them everywhere he's been. He's no one trick pony.

I think I would've wanted Greggo over Schwartz.

Of course I think he was lying. What do you expect him to say, "They're firing my coaches, so I have to get the hell out of here". All is well is what ends well. He left on a high note and nobody's going to fault him for being untruthful. We all do it.

He had no choice? Of course he did. He could have continue to shape a very talented defense on an up and coming team (we are lead to believe) or he could have took the HC job of a team who just fired their last HC after just one year (there is almost no precedence for this happening in the NFL). As for striking when the iron's hot; I know, you know, and every on this board knows that if Pettine continued to improve this defense, he would have been the leading HC candidate going into next offseason.

How? By him saying he saying he "felt bad" for the Bills? Well, actions speak louder than words because he turned around and still left them high and dry. Sort of like when a girl breaks up with you and says "it's not you, it's me" Meaning: you're exactly why I'm breaking up with you. What he said in the media means nothing.

You're right. I think there's more to this story than people are accepting. The fact that Pettine snatches up a guy he supposedly fired means he likely had nothing to do with the firing. Did it come from above? Perhaps, but it obviously didn't come from Pettine. Therefore, there was likely some meddling going on with the Pettine's defense, ironically the strongest unit on the Bills. Could've Pettine felt resentful a coach he didn't see eye-to-eye with, especially one that should've been shuffling the deck on the offensive and ST side? Next we see Pettine leaving for the Browns of all teams? This is the Bills, I wouldn't be surprised if they made Pettine feel I welcomed and unappreciated.

I'm pretty sure that was Jauron's philosophy.

An "attacking" defense? When haven't we heard this from a newly hired DC?

No. Yes. Yes. Cheers, Dave Wannstedt

I agree. If Kiiper gives us another C for this coming draft, we're definitely doomed.

Easy. He's under contract. Sure, I guess he could quit and jump to Cleveland, but I'm sure the NFL would have something to say about that (in the form of compensation coming our way).

I really don't know why the Bills are trying to emulate the Detroit coaching staff. Really, how counterintuitive is this?

I really don't know how drafting the leading candidate for ROY translates into a B? I guess you can't win, but I suspect the drafting of Manuel figures into that grade.

Could you just imagine an interview with Ralph?.,,