Puckman5

Vick held puppies too……. but hostage.

There can be only one!

Did you mean to say “trying to make the defense worse”? They’re struggling and in need of changes. The bigger problem is that our recent picks at linebacker and D line are not producing at a high level. I won’t call them busts yet, but they’re not playing at a level you’d like your higher draft picks to be playing at.

Would Mahomes really be doing that much better than Josh on this Bills team? Swap QB’a and my money would be on KC with Josh, their players and Andy Reid. What am I missing? Our QB play is holding us back?

it benefits Mahomes greatly as a QB that defenses have to worry about KC’s running game. Josh isn’t perfect, but I think he’s playing extremely well given our OL’s struggles and the lack of a running game (not to mention no competent big man to throw to). I think he can get a team to bowl, just maybe not this team this year.

you have to love the insult crew. It’s all cake, ribbons and rainbows, but that quickly turns to flame throwing if you don’t share their opinion. ass hat? Really? I’m not apologizing for wanting to see a higher level of play from this group at this point the rebuild. I’m thrilled you’re satisfied with what you’re seeing.

No Brady, no Gilmore, no Edelman, all the missing pieces on Defense... That’s not progress. That’s not taking a step toward being a legitimate playoff team. Isn’t that what this year is about? They’re not going anywhere playing like this. They aren’t gaining any ground on the elite teams. Is that win really a reason to celebrate?

It's difficult to quantify potential and assess what a player that's rough around the edges will do to reach it once he starts getting paid. He wasn't a great passer coming out of college, so what do you look for: Flashes of great passing Athleticism Brains Leadership Competitiveness. Work ethic Coachability Then you place the bet.

Wise man say you fix the leaks before you paint the dam.

Fred Jackson......

I agree about giving them another year or two, but for different reasons. I just don't think a coaching change will make much of a difference. Where I have a problem with Marrone and Co. is that they were part of the decision to draft Manuel. No issue if you want to take a project QB in the 3rd round or later, but you can't waste a first round pick on a "raw talent". These types of decisions are what have kept the Bills in the schitt house for 14 years. Get the drafts right and the rest will take care of it's self.

So he was consensus first round 16th over all pick? Did you watch the game yesterday? I'm not looking for greatness here, but I guess were seeing something entirely different up to this point. I'm looking for signs that that greatness will develop and I stand by my statement that he was drafted way too high. Does the fact that he clearly hasn't outplayed 2 undrafted QB's tell you anything? I'm not ripping the kid, but I am ripping him being picked where he was.

It's funny the extremes from the bust crowd to the apologists. He could still be a great quarterback someday, we simply don't know right now. My issue is with management drafting him where he was drafted. This type of "we know something everyone else doesn't" mentality has kept this franchise in a state of mediocrity for years. You simply can't get cute with the draft.

You simply don't draft a project at the 16th pick of the first round. I agree with the positive comments about his demeanor, character, athleticism, etc. That's all great and hopefully it translates into competent NFL quarterback someday, but he's clearly not an NFL ready quarterback right now. You can find plenty of "potential" in later rounds. This pick represents the arrogance incompetence of our coaches and management. I personally don't even care about mistakes and losses at this point, I just want to be entertained when I watch on Sunday. For this to happen, I'd have to see Manuel making the kind of throws and plays that that get you excited and give you hope for the future. Yes it's his first game back, but that performance was awful. At the very least he shouldn't have been out there if he wasn't ready to play. Nothing about his performance suggested he was.

The people that want to automatically hand EJ the job back when he's healthy are NUTS!! I think he was doing fine for a rookie and he's got plenty of potential, but Lewis is playing at least as well with a fraction of the preparation in this offense. If Lewis doesn't progress over the next 4-6 weeks that obviously plays into the equation, but it's not as simple as wins and losses. I really like what Manuel is about, but there are big holes in his game that didn't improve much in the time he had as a starter. Competition is a good thing and life just aint fair sometimes.