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Their HC and GM are also on life support...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28726662/joe-burrow-says-bengals-no-1-draft-pick-leverage "I do have leverage," the former LSU quarterback said, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, during a reception in Fort Worth in which he accepted the Davey O'Brien Award. "[The Bengals] have their process and I have my process. We haven't even gotten to the [NFL] combine yet. There's a lot of things that happen leading up to the draft and a lot of information gathered."

Josh's balls slowing down? Edit: I misread that, you were referring to the game slowing down for him. I meant Josh throws hard, the ball gets there fast which could be an issue for a guy who didn't catch much in college

damn you!

Only cut him if you resign Shaq and sign an upgrade in UFA. Possibly for some other reason if we need the cap space, which I don't see right now

This was last draft and his comments about WRs was entirely off the cuff and not brought up by a reporter - was brought entirely by himself

I think that is a better type of player than the 6'4" guy who runs a 4.7. Not directed at you: The GM who said we need a WR who is open when he is covered is Buddy Nix - has Beane ever said that or has it just become a board narrative?

This is a PG13 site. @Gugnyhas certainly rubbed off on you I am assuming the lack of sure hands and his drops

Knew this class was loaded, 1 of many reasons why they punted on Mahomes; just like they knew last year was known as the DL draft. The issue is we were really good this year, so making a play for a premium talent costs a lot

He is a very interesting prospect right now and his ranking is ridiculously fluid. Freely admit I haven't made it to him yet. Allbright has him in play at 15 for Denver! Gettleman

^^ Green gives you a season or so to groom Aiyuk. IMO this is the ideal way to go if you are looking at a WR besides the top 3 guys. The other important topic to think about is that the decision is ticking on Allen's contract, you really need to know what you have in him very, very quickly and you can't just wait too long for a RD2 WR to develop in our offense.

I wouldn't call them bad. As you mentioned Jones was on McD. Matthews got a us a WR after we dumped all of ours, plus allowed us to get out of Darby's contract. Matthews was a UFA at the end of the season. Benjamin was a 3rd RD band aid in the first year of the tear down - he certainly wasn't going to trade #1s or #2s at this point = we didn't even have a QB!. I can't crucify Beane or the FO for anything yet - they haven't taken a legit shot at a WR in the draft. We got lucky with AB this offseason and for what OBJ went for, I would rather use that ammo to move up for one of the top 3 WRs. I don't need OBJs BS or his contract. How is WR even questionable? Great ones don't hit FA and the okay ones that do get way overpaid. Your first RD premium positions are the ones that have the highest AAV = WR is definitely one

Aiyuk & Jefferson get looks along with Shenault & Higgins.

IIRC, it is the same as BADOL's list - QB, Pass Rusher, LT, WR, CB

I wasn't crusading for anyone LOL - was honestly just saying size isn't the end all be all and those 2 traits were 2 of our bigger weaknesses (aside from drops) last year If we stay at #22, it lines up well with the CB talent expected to be there and I just can't see us taking one there. They key for a RD2 WR (or any of them actually), will be the basic size of 5"11 + and good speed; they would have to be really good route runners, able to create separation quickly, adjust for balls and get going again.

It wasn't a "team" & EJ sucked

I more concerned about guys who can quickly get separation for DBs and those who can stop, adjust for a ball and accelerate quickly once they start again. Players around 5'11 to 6'2 ish will fit in well. We just can't go after a slot only guy who is 5'9". A TE who can catch & one who can stay healthy (preferably this is 1 player) could add plenty of size for us in the EZ as well. I feel like at times we get too locked into size and forget about the rest of the picture

13 is about the highest where the parting up picks would be palatable (EX we wouldn't pick again until RD3). I am not sure the falcons style move for Julio (move up 21 spots from 27 to 6) would work anymore (gave 1st 2nd & 4th in that draft) and unless Beane is feeling really confident after UFA and is willing to move the 2021 #1 like KC in 2017 to keep our #2 this year and fly up to around pick #8-9. I feel like that price might be too much. It depends on how they really feel about the top 3 being able to come in and contribute this year...tough call

You can't look at it in a vacuum either - Watkins was the consensus top WR in the draft & we certainly had a ton of holes on the team. Most importantly though, it was a forced to move to up in the draft to help our slow-eyed QB. If we stayed put, TB most likely would have taken Sammy and Evans would have been ours - with EJ & Tyrod he wouldn't have fared much better IMO. If we took Sammy at our pick and didn't trade up - this would be a non-issue. He was a highly rated prospect that plays a premium position. Landry ran a 4.77 and had a ton of question marks (was good his first year with Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace & Charles Clay), Adams had tons of question marks as well (wasn't good until his 3rd year) - which is why they were pushed into Zay Jones (never good) territory in that draft. You should look up Michael Thomas's scouting report as well (was obviously good with Brees, Barndin Cooks, Coby Fleener, Mark Ingram & the brilliant Sean Peyton). When you look at those three players - the Draft wastebin is littered with plenty of failures who had those same question marks.

I haven't done a enough study y self to zero in but I think there are right around 15-20 true first round talents in this draft, which makes #22 a tougher spot to be in, as I have felt all along, you are right at the edge of RD2 talent getting pushed up the board and we see that happening on many mocks and many comments on this board. I think it is important to also think about Beane's end of season presser: “We have to keep our defense strong,” Beane said. “They had a really good year. I would say you have to be strong in all three phases, we want to be better on special teams. Our special teams, I did think improved from a year ago, but we’re not happy with that. Offensively, we did show some improvements statistically, and Josh [Allen] improved and we scored more points. At the end of the day, we didn’t score enough points. “A lot of times, if you make the playoffs, your last game is kind of emblematic of, if you don’t win at all, whether you go to the championship game or you lose like we did, a lot of times it kind of shows you how your season went, and where you’re good and where you need to get better. I thought we saw that, we just didn’t score enough points.” it’s me doing a better job of increasing the talent around him, too, so that he can trust, have more players that [he] can trust and make plays for him, where he’s just got to get the ball out, hand it off, do whatever, and not feel like he has to do too much. Beane readily admits that our Defense is strong and we have to keep it strong, but twice - we didn't score enough points and he stated we have to add talent around him againg twice - have players he can trust. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/07/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-press-conference-8-takeaways/6/ 100% agree & so does Beane Though he knows that premier pass rushers are rare, Beane admitted that he’s always in search of improvements across the defensive line. “You’d love to have one, you really would,” Beane said. “There’s not even 32 of them, though, one for each team. I promise you, we’re looking for those guys, and would love pressure on the quarterback. If the quarterback’s on his backside, he can’t do too much damage to us. “We want to be strong upfront, we want to stop the run, things like that, but at the end of the day, there’s only so many Von Miller’s, that type of player.” https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/07/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-press-conference-8-takeaways/6/

This is not to be a predictive thread, but again to collate Beane's thoughts on trading within the draft, basic board set up. On Trading in the Draft: Beane went on to talk about the price that the team would have to pay in order to acquire a top selection. “That comes with a hefty price to be able to do that from 21 and 22, where we’re at,” Beane said. “We’re not saying we would do that. To go up there, we’d have to really feel good about that.” https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/23/2018-nfl-draft-buffalo-bills-trade-up-hefty-price/ "Let's first talk about going down," Beane said. "If you're sitting at a position and you've got one guy sitting on the board when you're getting close to being on the clock and you really like him and value how he fits where you are, first round, second round. If you trade down now you're basically saying… you may as well trade down another round because if you trade four or five spots back the odds of that one guy being down there are not very good. "If you have five to seven guys and somebody wants you to move back five to six spots, although it's close, you still have a shot to get one of those guys you like. It really goes back to following your board." "Let's just say you were at pick 25 and you have a guy in the top tier of your draft board. You think he's top 10 (talent)," Beane said. "If you have a guy in the top tier by himself and you think he's a rare impact player at his position, that might be the time to make a move up." "You have to consider what the cost would be," said Beane. "First, is there a team willing to do it? And then what is the cost? Is the cost too much where it jeopardizes the rest of your draft or potentially future drafts?" "We didn't expect Tremaine (Edmunds) to fall that far," said Beane. "He was a guy sticking out up there and at a position of need too. I know I say draft best player available and I truly mean that, but if there's a guy who is best player available and at a position of need, the board is doubly telling you what you should do. So when he was falling we were calling the Packers at 14, the Raiders at 15." Adding this comment on Edmunds from another interview: “He was sticking out on our board, and it’s a need,” explained Beane. “If a guy is sticking out on our board, and it’s really not a need, you might not do it. But with the hole we had there, and where he was on our board, it was a no-brainer. Even if we could have got to 14, we would have done it.” https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/5/7/17325406/2018-nfl-draft-brandon-beane-possible-to-land-linebacker-tremaine-edmunds-josh-allen-trade-up Whether a GM is faced with a potential move up or down the board, the critical thing to determine is weighing what's left on the board against what's being offered. And that isn't always easy. "There are so many variables," said Beane. "Maybe we've got 15 players with first-round grades and you're at nine. Well then it probably wouldn't be smart to go to 25. There's almost no chance of any of them being there. So that's what you have to factor in, but what if guys that aren't on our board in the first round because of medical or some other reason go in round one? Maybe some of our first-round grade guys go later than we thought. "The bottom line is as long we've done our due diligence with our board it will tell us when it's time to make a move up or down." https://www.buffalobills.com/news/trading-up-or-trading-back-how-nfl-gms-decide-to-make-draft-day-trades "To me, you draft the best player available. If the so-called premium positions are gone, or if you don't have a guy that is up there at a premium position, you shouldn't take him just because its a non. You should 100-percent of the time take the best player on your board. But, you're considering that where you value him on the board, whether it's a high-first round, mid-first round, or low-first round." At the 12:48 mark of the video: "There's been a lot of 1st round receiver busts, but you gotta do your due diligence and obviously that's a warning sign for you, but if you still feel at the end of the day they fit what you do and their talent is worthy of that, then you just select them. https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-5-takeaways-from-buffalo-bills-gm-brandon-beane-at-the-2019-nfl-owners-meetings

In the video here https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-5-takeaways-from-buffalo-bills-gm-brandon-beane-at-the-2019-nfl-owners-meetings at about the 12:48 mark; he actually talks about WRs: "There's been a lot of 1st round receiver busts, but you gotta do your due diligence and obviously that's a warning sign for you, but if you still feel at the end of the day they fit what you do and their talent is worthy of that, then you just select them.

Edit: didn't want to take away from Gunners thread, so I added this as a new thread on the board... Just remember the draft is very, very fluid and there are so many moving pieces. Beane will try to fill as many holes as possible to go into the draft so he can truly follow the board. If they feel that talent is sliding down the board at a position of need (and we all know it is to help Josh be ale to not do it all himself) don't be shocked to see us move.

with the coronavirus?

Not sure how - do they even have picks left in the next 3 drafts?