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I can't believe how much they are paying McCown & Teddy and now they moved for a QB - terrible cap management...awful waste of resources...

Woody Johnson (trump supporter) will not take Rosen. I also think this does have merit wrt Eli...Let's go get theRosenone!

Why did you put Jordan Mills pic up?

I'm pretty certain it is for pick 4. I am expecting that we are moving to 4, 5, or 6 to help NYG get their G. Also with Will Compton coming in along with Bodine & Newhouse, we are plugging holes via FA in order to move up...

I am also wondering if we talked to them about #4. I think making sure we give NYG a high enough #1 is extremely important in this trade...

LOL Right? Damned if you do damned if you don't... Although, it is easier to find players at other positions than QB in free agency and even via trade. It sucks to have to do all of this though. Life would have been much simpler if KC fell apart from injuries and such like Houston did (or if we just stunk this year). I wouldn't have a problem sitting sitting at 4 & 12 right now...

Read this:Highlights - we aren't necessarily done trading. Colts are looking to move #6 and would love a 2nd rounder for it... Look at the thread I just posted, link is above this reply. Also beane's plan was to eat all of the dead cap (or most of it this year ($45 million worth!)

NP & it is... Trade from 12 to 6 with a second rounder sign me right up...Here you go NYG 6, 22, 65 and whatever else Sean meet Josh, Josh meet Sean you guys are going to get to know each other very well over the next 15 years....

Darnold and Rosen are both worth shots...Mayfield and Allen are the interesting ones...

I agree with cap space, but we can fill quite a few holes, plus with all the dead cap being gone - it will be a huge boost. Check out the MMQB thread I just started, Don't rule out a trade back up yet and don't rule the colts out...

Here is what is awesome about this year = it's just this draft. At most we may have to give up a 2 next year. The stars are actually aligned very well for this year with these picks Rd1 = 12, 22 RD2 = 53, 56 RD3 = 65, 96 RD4 =121, RD5= 155, 158 This is what makes it more or less special this year, the ammo is there and we can have really a full draft next year & $100 in cap space. This is the year to go big actually. If it doesn't work, its really 1 year during a tear down and you will be in the same boat of having to look for one. If it hits, QB is solved and man next off season is awesome....

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/19/kirk-cousins-minnesota-vikings-free-agency-guaranteed-contract-mmqb-peter-king TL;DR = got to point #4 on this list (about trading up for a QB) 1.) Bills wanted McCown: But Buffalo also was seriously interested in McCown, so the Jets put their best contractual foot forward there and ensured they’d keep the trusted veteran who played so well last year, at 38. 2.) Colts aren't done moving down, 70 starters in the draft & we are a partner to move to 6 Colts aren’t done trading yet. After dealing from three to six, I could see them moving down one more time before the April 26 first round. GM Chris Ballard said as much to his team’s website Saturday, and I can add a confirmation to that. Ballard’s going to try. Ballard got a lot of “attaboy” calls/texts over the weekend, and rightly so. I had one GM tell me his team has about 70 players on its draft board rated as starter-quality, which strikes me as about right judging how teams have told me they’re judging this draft. The Colts very much need to maximize this draft. It’s likely their roster is the weakest in the rising AFC South. Ballard knows he needs quantity in this draft. That’s why if he could turn the sixth pick into something in the 10 to 12 range and add another second-rounder, I believe he’d do it. At six, he’d likely have a chance at pass-rusher Bradley Chubb or guard Quenton Nelson. At 11, let’s say, he’d have a chance at a desperately needed rangy linebacker like Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds. A second trade would mean Ballard would have turned the third overall pick into five players who would have a chance to start from this one trade alone. Colts’ picks in the top four rounds now: 6, 36, 37, 49, 67, 104. If I were Ballard, I might trade down from 6 to Buffalo at 12 if the Bills would deal the 53rd overall pick and maybe the 96th pick as well—seeing that the price for a quarterback is more of a premium. But of course, this is probably a night-of-the-draft deal, because the Bills would have to see a quarterback they’d want here. 3.) He likes what the Bills did Free agency is a tortuous process, because even when you think you’ve made a great deal, you’ve got this feeling deep down: What if the money spoils this guy? Or what if we’re overrating him after a small sample size? So take this with caution, Bills Mafia. But your general manager, Brandon Beane, had a good week, from my view of it. To recap: he got the first pick in the third round for a quarterback, Tyrod Taylor, he was clearly ready to move on from; Beane also paid interesting young quarterback A.J. McCarron for two years what the Jets paid Josh McCown for one ($10 million); and Beane gambled that coach Sean McDermott can make talented but meh defensive tackle Star Lotulelei (five years, $50 million) shine again. At the same time, Beane was trying to keep his promise to owner Kim and Terry Pegula: fix the bloated salary cap he’d taken over 10 months ago. He’d do it, he vowed, after two seasons, and so part of his decisions this year included pinching pennies so he could clean up the cap by the opening of the 2019 league year. I spoke with Beane on Friday afternoon about the big decisions he and coach Sean McDermott had made. MMQB: You got Cleveland to take all of Tyrod Taylor’s salary, and got the first pick in the third round. How? Beane: “We wanted to find a spot for him, not to just put him somewhere. We were open and honest with him and his agent. Sometimes these situations can get salty, but here, everybody wanted to do the right thing and not be confrontation. Getting the 65th pick was huge. Patience was the key. I am very happy how it worked out for the Bills and for Tyrod and the financial part was a part of it. When it’s all said and done, we’re going to have about $45 million in dead money this year. That was part of my plan—to eat all of it, or as much as we could, this year.” MMQB: You waited out the quarterback market, from the looks of it, and got McCarron for good value—two years, $10 million. Beane: “We did due diligence there. Every dollar we spend there is a dollar less we can spend somewhere else. We didn’t want to get into chase mode. We had different guys we thought would fit, A.J. being one of them. One word we heard over and over from people who had coached him or known him. like Hue Jackson: competitor. That was music to my ears. He’ll fit here.” MMQB: Star Lotulelei for medium defensive tackle price—was he a target from the beginning? Beane: “I was part of the crew that drafted him in Carolina. One word for him: selfless. Luke Kuechly will rave about Star, because he allowed Luke to run free. For us, I believe Star can be a two-and-a-half-down player, playing some third downs.” 4.) Will we move up again MMQB: Looks like you have the ammo to move up in the draft again and get one of the quarterbacks. Will you trade again? Beane: “The truth? Most of these quarterbacks I’ve only spent 15 minutes with. [At the combine, each team can meet with prospects for a maximum of 15 minutes per player.] I haven’t spent enough time to have an opinion about any of them yet, honestly. I actually sent a little note to our [scouts] yesterday. We got six weeks to get our board together. I am not there yet, knowing if we can or will move up again. I want Sean to get to know all of them. We’re just keeping an open mind. Where we’re at, we’ve got the picks, we've got the draft capital. I’m not ready to pull the trigger.”

And you can't allow another team to leap frog you. FWIW, there are many posters on here who do not see Cousins as a franchise guy... Also on a side note, Peter King just put up MMQB - some good stuff in there. I'm gonna throw it in a new thread...

I probably came off a bit harsh, but with the moves McD & Beane have made so far regarding QB (passing on guys last year to load for this) and they don't aggressively go after their guy, it is not a good look. Also, consider that if the Jets turn out to actually get a guy who looks good; these guys are going to be toast in the eyes of many fans; just like past regimes. Peeps can use the narrative all they like that this is a different team, much like Terry only viewed it as a couple years with out playoffs, but that doesn't make it any less true for the fans who have been following this team for longer than Pegs owned them or longer than McD & Beane have been there. The optics of, us saying he took our highest rated QB at 12 and let's say 2 or 3 others a good and we sat pat - they will get eviscerated over it...Fans will fly off the handle if they trade up for Manziel's, but in a qb rich draft if they go for a guy and miss - it happens. This is almost a free draft in order to make a move up, where you can give draft capital up and not really have to give much up in future years, it's the ideal time to take a shot. If they stay pat or wait until Rudolph and he sucks, you would conceivably have to trade down next year in order to grab more picks for the following 2020 draft. The 2019 draft is shaping up for your Geno Smith EJ type draft. Are you prepared to go 2 more seasons without an answer and then wing and prayer it? 2019 looks to have great pass rushing talent, I don't think you want to trade down there. Stars are aligned for this year without damaging the future years much at all. Plus we have $100 mil in cap space in 2019. Sell out for your top QBthis year, fill holes 2019 FA, score pass rushing help in RD1 next season and see where you end up.

If we didn't sign him he was going back to CIN as a backup. So much for CLE's 2 & 3rd for him... Cousins is not a Franchise QB, so do not even go there Brees wasn't even a sure thing he could playagain, plus they drafted Philip Rivers Manning's neck was toast he had what 2 seasons left and then crashed horribly... Warner wasn't an HOFer until he carried the ARZ team and he was awful on the Giants...this one I possibly give you...

Hasselbeck really? and Favre is from 1993 - can we at least go with 2000+? I'm surprised you go with 150 yr Rich Gannon who was awful for the first 27 years of his career You almost, almost, can't even look at how the position is treated now vs when there was no rookie cap. It no longer costs you 5 years and $75 million. If he sucks he busts out just like an ill advised first round pick on a non-pass rushing LB...You also have to take into account the rule changes that vastly favor a passing offense. You are a fool (not you personally) as a team, if you do not make a commitment to aggressively finding a QB. You will always be middle of the pack and churning a roster that just is not good enough to consistently compete...

yup, for back up money...just like TT is career back up, so is this guy...stop falling for others trash QBs, franchise guys do not hit FA 15 years ladys & gents...15 years

Skipping to the end without reading and I'm sure this has been said, but he couldn't beat out Andy Dalton...Pass

But Lamar is NOT the player at all that Beane talks about as a franchise QB; in fact the opposite...

His release and cannon arm are awesome.... if he was remotely accurate; I could easily see Cle selecting him #1

We kicked the can to this and next year's crop is even bleaker. If you kicked the can here, you go for it otherwise you are no better or different than the previous regimes who fill holes in the draft instead of aggressively fixing the QB issue as you planned a year ago...

There was whole article I just read...I have to look for it again...I think it was one of the well known draft writers who did an interview on WGR who went over the shitshow. FWIR, Whaley was pushing Mahomes and McD thought he could win with TT, and Terry sided with McD. Apparently he felt more comfortable with Tre from what he heard aboput while in Carolina....Watson I give you and with Houston you never really know. Andy Reid, may not be a great playoff HC, but he has built very capable offenses and has done very well with QBs. KC dumping Smith and loading tools around him, plus the conviction to move up and grab last year surly says something...no?

But can't see over the lineman...

The panic is real for them....they flinched IMO. We have the ability to one up them and I think that might be what Beane was counting on. At least I hope that what it is, because I don't want us to be stupid with this position and be scared of being aggressive...

I don't see Jackson (not you ) fitting Beane's QB profile. I agree with holding on to on next years#1 since I think it will be between 6-10. This just seems like the year they have to pay the piper if they like Rosen/Allen enough. I also can't help but think after yesterday's trade, there has to be another reason aside from picks, why he didn't push the offer more.