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After the AFC Championship game, Diggs was distraught watching the celebration. We had them beat, I guarantee they knew they would have the AFC Championship at home and smoke Cincy, to lose like that giving up 3 points in 13 seconds like that - who can freaking blame him? In an emotional game like that and you did your job and the other 11 didn't? I'm shocked it was only him tbh... If it is true McD only said once blame me and never offered any explanation and only said execution from then on out - that is an epic leadership failure that is not healing wounds and getting the 2 sides on the same page. Tell the team your rationale, be honest - good leaders do that and admit what your throught process was and that you f'd up... History is repeating itself and it is ripe for this rift to open back up. Now that I see what Cover 1 put up, I'm furious with McD not working with Dorsey Curious to see what happens with Poyer... What I hope doesn't happen is that this doesn't drive OBJ away, we desperatley need another WR option on offense who can produce and relieve pressure on Josh, Dorsey, the defense and Sean... Jefferson had 200 yards receiving against us and Cook was gaining yards once Edmunds went out. Those 3 points would not have mattered; the game would have ended before OT if they had to score a Tuddy

Finally did a little more digging: This is coaching - how does our defensive minded HC not talk to our OC about what it is likely trying to defend all passes, almost exclusively from the shot gun and mostly option routes and RB rail Routes? We also call the follow play that according to the tape Josh screws up every time? Rip it out of the playbook. Sean is not doing his job with Dorsey

It does nothing up 10 up 13? nope still 2 scores and keeps the game within reach. Even if you turn it over on downs, it is at their 7 yard line. One thing you cannot do - throw a pass to player who is covered (they all were) and get picked off and let them return it to our 34. Coaching would have told him, if it isn't there don't throw a pick and make them start at the 7. No one did that How did taking all the FGs work out for us against KC 2 years ago? We don't have 2 plays that can get us 2 yards? Pathetic we don't have 1 play that we could call to get 1 yard 2 times..

So...I will play along with this. We had what 5 RBs active, ran reasonably well in the first half. Get stuffed and go nowhere early in the 2nd half and entirely abandon the run. Duke had a couple carries, Hines was on the field for like 2 offensive plays, didn't try to use Cook's speed to get around the edge, didn't even try to use our best RB until the frantic drive to tie the game. Why have 5 RBs dress and only run a handful of times in 30 mins of game time when you were up 17 points? Is this just unique to this year or this OC or was it an issue last year with an entirely different OC? Who decides to go away from the run? I see a failure to stick to a game plan that had 5 RBs dressed and playing and one that was working in the first half and again an inability to get it going again in the second half. So it gets abandoned and we become a very one-dimensional team, who makes mistakes (penalties) and then has to rely on heroics on 3rd and long to try to close out the game. You get in the compressed red zone as a pass only team who is almost always in shotgun, lack of pre-snap motion which allows the D to not have to react to anything before the ball is snapped and a QB who will rely on his arm to force a ball in a tight window too often, just to make that play. 2nd and 2 and you through a bad INT because no one is open, the QB things a INT down there is the equivalent of turning the ball over, but of course no one is able to stop the return out and it was so close a pick 6 - no one was there. IIRC, Josh was out of bounds or close to it and had to run back in to get him at our 34. Screams poor coaching on offense in pressure situations and an inability to have 1 play that we can call to get 2 yards. All the people in our section thought we would close the game out with the 41 seconds left, I saw this coming. Ball on the 3in line, an OL who cannot run block up the middle to save their lives, against a team with a strong DL - the only play is QB sneak. I told everyone who thought it was over, it's not yet; we have to get 2 plays to end it. 1 to get them to burn the TO and the other to run the clock out. By this point, the pressure on Josh to deliver was enormous and he choked. This is where I am not a fan of an OC who sits in the booth. One non-scoring drive up 17, it happens, Two non-scoring drives and putting more pressure on your B team Secondary = letting a team hang around. 3 points in like 29:55 of game time with a depleted secondary, having Dodson attacked when Edmunds went out and Cam Lewis playing his first game as safety (who as a CB knows to knock the ball down, but with a first start as a Safety is thinking more about how to play the position and being in the right place instead playing) = recipe for disaster. This all falls on coaching IMO

As jw says: Lots of finger pointing going on, whether it is actually verbally spoken or just nonverbal cues and not much leadership from the top to end it between the Offensive and Defensive units. Along with a coaching staff not being able to make adjustments. You also have to wonder if there have been disarrangements and finger pointing between the OC and DC, again all on McD. I'm not trying to be an anti McD poster, I'm indifferent at this point. There are a lot of positives he brought to really build this team and that perspective and guidance and leadership was needed when he came on board. For the Bills he was the leader we needed - he was the judge, jury and executioner and he built a damn good program here, brought in an excellent GM, guided a roster rebuild and created stability. The question becomes is he the leader we need now? Can/should he still be Judge, Jury and Executioner? It is ok to openly question if he is indeed the leader we need at this point for our team. He is a new HC and being in a new position for the first time, you do learn and grow when you ware finally in that position. It is possible he follows the Andy Reid career path, it is also possible that he has reached his limits (not sure this is the case), it also possible that this team and Josh may need more than he is right now (Sean Peyton)... Not a road we necessarily need to go down...just open thoughts Beane is grocery shopping for his Chef who has been brought up as a defensive guy, which is fine, but the lack of high pick choices on Offense clearly stand out. Even with our recent RB trade - he seriously cannot be on the field yet? CMC sure did a lot on SF and TJ played well for Minny... Panic on the sideline = on the coaches, lack of preparation and confidence creates panic and uncertainty and pressing and wanting to be a hero

Josh only has Dorsey and Barkley now - Daboll and Shea are gone and Brady is new to the staff. His entire support system has changed... Like most QBs when the game is on the line you go the the guys you trust and Josh's trust = Diggs and Gabe. He doesn't trust McKenzie enough, Knox is being used as a blocker (for obvious reasons) and this has limited his ability to get out there to make plays. Hero ball is back because he internally feels an immense pressure to make the plays. We take penalties on offense on critical possessions way to frequently which leads to our 3rd and long. Mentally we are not there on offense in critical moments. We are a bad short yardage team and have been for years now. Hero ball is what bails us out. We also are not good right now at making adjustments on the fly during the 2nd half. Once teams shut us down in the second, we have not been able to respond and get anything going. 3 points, 3 points and now 6 points in the second half in the last 3 games. Perhaps with an offense vs defense division - josh is trying even harder to keep finger pointing to a minimum. This falls under McD's leadership as a HC and not necessarily to Josh. Josh wants to win and wants the SB bad, which is making him press and be the hero. If those divisions existed last year, there is a good chance some of those players involved are still on this team (which might be why they haven't been offered a contract yet - Po?). Can't just look at this positively or negatively because both can be true at the same time. The offense knows that with a banged up D, they need to score more to put teams away, which is when Josh puts more pressure on himself and he makes mistakes. I am sure the D is getting pissed at the TOs, they get stops and Josh makes terrible decisions. His intention is in the right place, but how he is going aboout it is putting a weakened unit out there on the field more and exposing them to the increased potential of game breaking mistakes due to the injuries (Cam Lewis) not being able to get off the field on what 4 or 5 3rd and longs and 2 4th and forevers? This will lead to even more finger pointing between the units. This is on the HC to resolve... Not sure how coherent it was, I'm working through these thoughts in real time LOL

While we were waiting to get the F out of the parking lot and listening to the post game, apparently whomever the lousy Fox announcers were said we should have taken a safety are idiots too FWIW - awful idea... Back to this though, the play calls were bad. It was 2nd and 2 and we couldn't get it done. After the INT and after he got off the ground, Josh chucked his helmet near the bench. I'm not sure what changed in the second half, but we couldn't run and then quickly gave up. Now what I'm not sure of is if run plays were called and Josh checked out of them, but we make ourselves one dimensional way too much, especially in the red zone. One thing I picked up on was that Josh looked to be more effective and the WRs were able to get open better when we used motion and in the red zone, I don't recall seeing it much either, pretty easy to defend when you know the team is pass only and they are not making the D players respond to presnap motion. Put a savvy vet like Peterson there, of course he will jump the ball...Both INT's were right in front of us (Section 224), there wasn't much open in the End Zone at all. The entire stadium gasped when Mackenzie turned in instead of trying to get out of bounds (thankfully he corrected that mistake and got out before someone tackled him)... Now back to this thread... @SectionC3says he heard 2nd hand that the offense and D were at each others throats after the 13 seconds (he has been a good poster here for a long time). Where do we go, if that is true? Let's build on it a little bit: Ty Dunne Article Sean didn't share what happened with the position coaches, those coaches didn't share anything with the players - it was just goodbye enjoy the offseason. He held a generic We'll grow from the address and that was it. Our ST coordinator subsequently resigned and went to Jax. One player said: " You preach accountability but you don't practice it." The players Dunne spoke to said they believe Bass was doing what he was told and through the players own investigation Sean is the one who called for the touchback. Farwell had the entire team ready for the Squib and McD told him to kick it out - that's why half off the STs were like what the hell when we kicked it out. "After the game Emotions were up in the air, Everybody was angry and upset and Stefon Diggs was having an argument with a defensive player - just saying he was upset with the call and then Jerry Hughes stepped in. There was a big uproar and people were about the throw hands. McDermott comes in and says if you're about to blame anyone for what happened, you should blame him..." From what Dunne says that was the only time he said to blame him, the only time he was accountable to the team. But yet when he talks to the media it was just "lack of execution". At the time of Dunne's article, the offseason hasn't started. As he says: "There could be a leadership void on to fill on defense. The player who helped diffuse that locker room skirmish, Hughes, is described as this unit's rock. One player calls him the most "passionate" and "vocal" player he ever met. Because of his experience, he was one player able to vocalize frustrations to the coaching staff which was appreciated by teammates...There coordinator who helped groom Allen is off to New York" Let's not forget about the Flores lawsuit: "Ironically, during their January 11, 2022, text exchange, Mr. McDonnell also suggested that if Mr. Flores were hired as the Giants Head Coach, Brian Daboll might be interested in leaving Buffalo to serve as his Offensive Coordinator (“Heard Daboll isn’t happy with Sean [McDermott] in Buffalo . . . might be able to get of if he doesn’t get a head job. . . thoughts?'” JW's tweet: "There are some internal issues to contend with, that go beyond the distractions of the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed internal debate that nearly unglued the team last year. At some point ...this team needs to get on the same page as it did during the loss to Tampa Bay a year ago. Or it's going to end up being another empty season." Where are we now and what divisions and issues still exist? With the absence of Jerry, who does this now? Is it really Von? Is it Poyer? Outwards to the fans and media, MIller's presser was total optimism and upbeat and he is likely displaying this exuberance to counteract Diggs saying that they "Blinked". It certainly reads that parts of the offense vs defense division is still there and there is something that just isn't right within the coaching staff's ranks themselves. We also have to realize that some of these same observations/comments/thoughts are being said thorugh Dunne and jw, league circles know of displeasure between Daboll (offense) and McD (defensive guy). I know everyone here will have their own opinions and want to stick their head in the sand and call out the media, but what if there really is a fire where the smoke is?

I agree as well. I don't want to say its the yips or anything like that LOL. It is inexcusable and concerning IMO

I also find some posters in this thread amusing claiming jw of creating clickbait. Clickbait to what exactly? There is no story to click on to drive numbers to his AP story.

Thought about this on the long car ride home - if his Elbow and arm were sore and bothering him - how much could that have impacted his ability to handle the snap? I haven't looked at any stats or breakdowns from the game yet, but we were in shotgun a ton yesterday. I do wonder if taking the snap under the center did cause enough discomfort to botch it and for us to not go under center much in the game.

I was there too, everyone wanted to go for it and it was the right decision as it puts you up 3 scores, going up from 10 points to 13 points doesn't do a damn thing for you. I''ll throw some gas on the fire with this comment: The same people on this board who are saying go for the FG are likely the same fans who whine and cry that we don't (or didn't in years' past) step on the other team's throat to take the game away from them. That really is what this decision comes down to. Game is over with a TD there. Great teams do this

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I dont know if virg would take government money to build a volleyball facility for his daughter, but he seems like the guy who will send an unsolicited wang pic

Your mullet needs that much work?

this is hilarious to watch...what a dumpster fire

Davis is not where Josh expected him (not necessarily a shot on Davis, Josh could have misread it as well)

So you take Taron off the field (who might be out best DB aside from Poyer when he plays) and what other mediocre LB do you put in there (assuming Edmunds and Milano are in there)? Benard or Dodson? I don't see either of them moving the needle more than Taron, especially Bernard today woof

BIG problem

he has been blocking a lot more I believe

what changed your mind?

Holy hell he was awful, like leave EJ in London awful

Gabe and Josh were clearly not on the same page