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This isn't good; it's just not good... I was all for giving the benefit of the doubt and I know it would be painful, but something really feels off and I cannot see us putting a competent offense together

If anything this is a stark reminder of how far away the Bills are....

Not that I am a proponent of this, but this may very well be what does McBeane in this season While all teams whiff with personnel, not correcting it and allowing for Nate to be put out there repeatedly is not a good look...

And we don't even do a good job sucking on them....

A few things I think (please tell me I am an idiot): 1.) When Rex was fired, the entire org knew it was going to be a teardown/rebuild 2.) We lucked into the playoffs last year and overacheived 3.) The entire org knew there would be a regression this year based on the dead cap and all of the other dead horses we have beaten lately 4.) I don't think anyone expected it to be this bad 5.) Pegs is in a tough spot - he doesn't like his teams to be embarrassing, but 6.) I really think the seat might be getting a little hot for these guys (even though I don't think Pegs would pull the plug that quick - but he might be starting to think it) 7.) I wish we had an insider who knew the current feeling in the organization. I don't know if McD makes it if it stays this bad 8.) I don't see it getting much better unless Allen comes back and plays amazing 9.) The QB and OL situation are the biggest reasons why

Is this thread even necessary?

Yes it did. This team needed to be torn apart for years, it has been improperly constructed and managed for over a decade. The cap needed to be cleared up, new faces needed to come in etc. If you think simply adding Allen, with the "old" team we had with Sammy, Woods, Goodwin, Dareus etc. was going to do anything I have a bridge to sell you. We had a mismatch of players fitting various schemes on the defense and even the offense. There were too many role players and not enough elite athletes to cover for roster deficiencies and our cap situation was not in the best shape. You build around the elite athletes and fill holes after round 2 and in FA, when rookie contracts are up for the role players, trade them away or let the walk and draft/use FA to find their replacements. The elite blue chip talent will be paid and your cap will stay in decent shape. What you and other are proposing is the same BS we have been doing for years with a roster designed for 7-9 to 9-7 wins. Might as well bite the bullet and hire Jeff Fisher at that point. They have actually done fairly well in FA and even the drafts. While I did not want to pass on Mahomes (I liked him and Trubisky the best), you cannot say that Tee isn't becoming an elite shutdown corner. Micah Hyde, Poyer, Haush$, Ivory, Star, Murphy are not bad pickups. The FA signings are to plug gaps in our roster and bring in people to help the HC change and establish the culture. We did take some players on some players who didn't work out, but that happens with every team. The top 2 rounds of the drafts should always be geared towards grabbing best talent available and looking for players with elite traits and at elite game changing positions. OL is an area we need to be better in, but if you look around the league it is a league wide problem. Most OL take 2-3 years to develop nowadays due to schemes difference in the college and the NFL.This is what makes Daboll a good hire, he can help guide the young team through a more college based offensive system towards a more prostyle method... When you look at all of the parts 2-3 more wins this year with AJ does nothing for you. Also with Allen, you cannot have a TT or even AJ type person who wants to start. God forbid they are a bit better with a team in a teardown with players who are buying into what the coaches are selling, you will never get him on the field; unless you want to be the Raiders, which is a team who has a coach who lost his team...

I can't get over the amount of time that has been spent discussing this. We have $50 million in deadcap this season and only 30% of our cap allocated to our offense. We are in the middle of a teardown and arguing about the value of AJ freakin McCarron being a 5th round pick. This was a "lost" season as far as playoffs before it even began, AJ at best would get a couple more wins this year - which honestly does not do much for us, as the rest of the offense will be turned over this offseason.

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The old timers here will know who he is... Peter King‏Verified account @peter_king 1h1 hour ago More We have lost a legend. Football writer/raconteur Paul Zimmerman, 86, died this afternoon. There’s only one Dr. Z. He’ll be missed. Richard Deitsch‏Verified account @richarddeitsch 18m18 minutes ago As a young reporter, I got to fact check Paul Zimmerman on some stories he did for SI's commemoratives (when a team wins a championship or a single-issue devoted to something that was separate from the weekly magazine. I have but one fun story. Richard Deitsch‏Verified account @richarddeitsch 16m16 minutes ago I was checking a fact that involved John Elway. Zimmerman had written how many seconds it took Elway to throw one snap when he was a quarterback at Stanford. It wasn't exactly verifiable without the game film -- which we were not getting as fact-checkers. Richard Deitsch‏Verified account @richarddeitsch 14m14 minutes ago One of the editors -- I shall leave his name anonymous -- asked me to ask Z how he knew this stat. SI editors left notes in the stories for fact-checkers and we had to follow them the way North Koreans follow the Kim family. Richard Deitsch‏Verified account @richarddeitsch 14m14 minutes ago So I called Z to tell him an editor wanted to know how he knew this. This was an editor who had changed Z's copy before. In Z parlance, and the parlance of most writers, he had ***** with the copy. Z asked who the editor was. I told him. Richard Deitsch‏Verified account @richarddeitsch 12m12 minutes ago That led to a fantastic series of f-bombs and mother f-bombs. I then calmly asked what I should put in the story notes. He told me I should put in, "From Z: Go ***** yourself." So I did. One of the greatest fact-checking notes I ever had. And the stat stayed. Rest in peace, Z.

We are actually pretty close to agreeing, where you are this year is how I feel about next season!

What you hope is that your evaluators are able to identify talent correctly so you end up with AJ Green, Julio, Patrick Peterson, or the guy who I wanted us to take, JJ, and you draft talent and not to fill holes. DT was a hole when Stroud was cut and we had those great ends of Kelsay & Dwan Edwards; we needed someone to pair up with Kyle. This move caused us to spend $100 million in the following offseason for Mario. This was short-term thinking in filling a gap in the roster for the upcoming season instead of looking at a long-term picture. Yes Marcel had a good draft report, but IIRC he was a rotational player and there were questions regarding his ability to hold up over the course of a season and he was suspended for making a poor choice in taking money from an agent. He was also drafted to fill a hole. JJ had an amazing combine and you could see how explosive he was (I obviously am leaving Von Miller and Cam out), we chose poorly that draft. The benefit to possibly be in the running for Bosa or even Oliver makes it easy for me to not worry about winning a couple meaningless games this season. NYG need a QB, SF, ARZ, us and OAK could use BPA aside from QB (unless Carr is traded). I want us to have a shot at the best talent available with as many names on the board as possible this season. Trade value is going to be really low this year unless Herbert declares as of now it's him, Bosa, & Oliver. I do like AJ Brown, Greg Little as well. Josh Allen would be decent if he is there and we are in the 6-10 range. JMO...

Picking in the middle of the pack keeps you right where we have been. 2-3 more wins this year does nothing for this team, not one thing. The fact is we have no talent on offense and only 30% of our cap has been spent on it this season; 5th lowest in the league. This year is a lost year, a planned one at that, and right now we have the 4th pick in the draft - don't mess that up. If we were just a little worse last year, we could have kept some picks instead of moving up and in the long run I would have taken that all day long. We could have stayed put and drafted Allen, still moved up for Edmunds and been in a position to grab Billy Price, Nick Chubb, Christian Kirk. I would take that all day long over a one and done in Jax as we would be much further along than today....

It really has been a great week Heh:

It's a good laugh Buddy, your team’s in last place, and you always look like you just woke up on the floor of a college dorm room five minutes ago, except for the one time when you looked like a frat brother showing up to court on hazing charges. This hardass approach didn’t work for Josh McDaniels and it won’t work for Trendy Shitheap over here, unless he’s trying to get back to being a coordinator.

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I would rather have Allen come back after the bye, be a bit more polished with his footwork, better poise and movement in the pocket and have a better understanding of what coverages he is seeing. Winning 5 out of the last 6 or 7 doesn't do a lot for me; frankly the higher the pick, the better - we need elite talent.

Likewise! I do think a little breather for him was good, a little time to regroup from getting used to the speed of the game and some of the schemes. The more he plays, the better

That song is sooooooo underrated!

It sure is! Is it bad to say that I still hope we suck enough the rest of the way though?

I never thought about that... I'm dying now

Jay Skurski‏Verified account @JaySkurski 57s58 seconds ago More #Bills coach Sean McDermott says he doesn’t think “it’s too far off,” in regards to Josh Allen throwing again.