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When they were driving for the 2nd td, Sean was frantically flipping through the playcall sheets. After they scored he was down on one knee with a tablet and the sheets coaching them up. Leslie just stood there. Sean called plays Sunday on the Bengals 3rd drive... Source my eyes watching him do it in real time from my seats

Seems like the usual OL development takes a couple seasons, unless you draft very early in round 1, we should have been drafting an IOL every year or so, so we can keep that depth there. Instead we dumpster dive in FA

My comment on saffold, who is awful, is simply that whoever we draft will certainly play sparingly (if at all) this year. I would expect Ike to take this spot back, but he isn't great either. Same goes for cutting Morse (could slide Bates over) but then that's 2 OG positions open and Ike isn't that good either imo...so how does this move beef up the OL? There has been a lot of chatter on the internet and on WGR that we have to find OL and WR in the draft (we do) but expecting any of them to contribute in 2023....rookies don't play much for us...

They way I look at it is just let Edmunds and Poyer go, maybe you try a tag and trade with Edmunds if there is a market. Try to trade Oliver for a Jeudy or other WR who is going to get paid with a salary swap and pay the extra 4 or 5 million to him on a new deal. Look long and hard about the cap dollars tied to our DL rotation and trade or cut some dead weight, even if you incurred a little dead cap this season who cares. It sets you up to have more cap space next offseason to really adjust. With Josh, we certainly aren't going to fall too far off. I hear a lot on wgr and read on Twitter and here, well draft a wr and ol this year (we should) but they won't start and will be brought along sloooooowly just like every rookie that last few years. They cannot and should not be counted on to make any impact in 2023, they won't play much. A small step back seems inevitable if they decide to make some moves. The thoughts of cutting Morse or not resigning Safford and expecting a rookie to play is unrealistic as well, this team does not do that. The alternatives are trying to keep players and kicking the cap hits down the road = keeping the band together. If they want to free space up to spend at other positions, this is the easiest and quickest way to do it.

The results of the DL rotations have not been good enought to justify the investment there, at least with the investments we have made amd the lack of development of the players. I'm not sure if it is simple as coaching or just missing on the evaluations and looking for intangibles and scheme fits....

This is pretty much where I am at, the UFA WR class is not good and I don't expect whoever any of our draft choices are to start or contribute in a meaningful way in season 1. we arent narrowing rhe gap between KC or Cin this offseason and the teams below us who are close to catching us will be closer. If there is a season to take a flyer to retool and clean some cap up, this one might be it. I don't want to spin wheels.

Looks like a disconnect between the FO and Sean imo and/or Beane is not willing to call Sean out. His scheme and philosophies on Offense and Defense will dictate the type (skillset) of players the FO will look for.

Morse is a big concern, perhaps Bates is the replacement to slide over. All of the picks for JAGS on our DL easily could have been for a center or OG. a thought from the WGR radio guys is maybe you can trade Oliver for a WR and basically salary swap and pay a bit more for contract #2 on a Jeudy etc

Versus Same group we are running it back with. I'm not impressed and Beane likely isn't eaither

it wasn't his turn.... I kid I kid... No clue really - McD and Company tend to got with what they know vs the unknown. This is why you get Dane Jackson who is mostly in position, but never makes play

Ruben Brown's quick take

Is this a superbowl offense?

Who is directing Beane about what positions are valued and needed for the team?

Or that Cincy's DC was able to call the perfect defense against our offense 66% of the time! Just think about what has to occur for that to happen.... and you are telling me that Hines could not get up to speed quick enough?

Looked like he did on Sunday from where I was sitting for a bit after it was 14-0. He was down on a knee coaching up the DL after that 2nd TD, Leslie was just standing there. Sean had the Surface tablet and was flipping through the play sheets like crazy. The Bills next Defensive series Sean was flipping through the play charts and talking right into the microphone, looked like Leslie was standing right next tom him, didn't seem like he was doing anything from my vantage point (13 rows up on the 12ish yard line)

These are all good points, but there is a difference in regular season vs playoffs - this staff after the past 3 years is not playoff caliber. We also didn't have Von last year and Jerry =/= Von. The DL even with the injuries was better this year than last year, those DT and Ends were straight up trash. We didn't have Tre in the playoffs last year and, serious question, what impact would Hyde have based on the gameplan against Cincy? Now, if we lined up and played with a good gameplan and lost, it is easier to go down the path you are on, which I truly do understand. Blitzing Burrow, who everyone knew the ball was getting out in less than 3 seconds and who is great against the blitz and playing off the WRs? There was a blueprint for Miami by the Chargers, we didn't follow it. There were 3 games Balt played against Cincy, in the game right before we played, they hardly blitzed (again a blueprint) that we didn't follow either. Baltimore almost kicked them out with a backup QB and no one on offense.

FWIW I don't trust their ability either on WRs, OL, DE, DTs either. A first round CB that can't sniff the field makes me want to add that to the list

In a must win game, in the playoffs at home, on third and short playing 7 yards off the ball? Signing off on a game plan that also included, blitzing the best QB against the blitz who has 3 backup OLs (the game plan everyone knew going in was 1 to 3 steps and throw) - giving that much rope? That is coaching for your season right there. The luster really wore off on Sunday

Look at the DC he learned under in Philly and look at the defense he runs. Can they be more opposite? I will give credit where credit is due - he turned the franchise around but I think he is at his ceiling. We will know for certain this time next year, but the picture is getting fairly clear

I'm really stunned by this, thus far this has not been the type of GM to act like this. It feels like his usual honesty is absent because he doesn't want to call out this coaching staff and Sean. Being critical, Ty Dunne had an article last year on the 13 seconds that was very critical of McD, he had another one on Monday after the loss. JW while still on here earlier this season alluded to issues within the locker room that could pull the team apart and further waste this season (I wish he wasn't chased off so we could have gotten more insight). Sometimes where there is smoke there truly is fire and we are not privy to see it all. The cap situation being lamented on is entirely by his doing at the bequest of what Sean wants... Beane's presser today lends some more credence to the entire organization only looked at the surface of what happened during those 13 seconds and a decision was made to run it back and add Von and replace Levi. I tend to think there has to be some tension within the organization with the poor play (development of the DL and those coveted and high picks), we need Elam (beat out by 6th round rookie and sparingly plays as a rookie) can't sniff the all rookie team, the push for RB with plans to use on offense that wasn't used in that role much during the season, he has to be fuming as these poor picks compound and increase the focus and scrutiny on the FO with their misses and lack of development or ability to get on the field. The excuse is that, again, it takes time to learn our D scheme (that was called basic by Cincy) and our offense that Hines, Cook, Shakir need time to learn (that was shut down and perfectly played against 66% of the time against Cincy who has only played us for like 5 quarters since 2019)? Beane was unwilling to be this honest or even with his usual honesty today, as it would tear Sean down and the organization is not looking to replace him. JMO

I will add this, I was at the game 13 rows from the field section 130 and sitting with player's family's (Shakir, Gilliam, Edmunds fam was right there, and I'm not sure who was next to me, didn't feel right asking). When they scored their 2nd td to go up 14 to 0, Sean was nervously flipping that play chart. He went right over to the DL on the bench got one 1 knee had the tablet and was showing them whatever it was he was seeing they were doing offensively, Frazier just stood there and watches. It looked like a basketball coach drawing plays up on the sideline during a crucial TO. It did appear that Sean was calling the D for a few plays at least the series after. Perhaps it was seeing this, that really makes me feel that a change in DC does nothing, and I'm more than certain he was all in on helping with the gameplan.

What have the picks we have spend on D done for us? How did the rebuilt DL hold up after Von went out? All of those resources performed how well? Questions to ask, did we target specific physical and skill traits to fit a scheme? How did we strike out with AJ, Boogie, Groot, Oliver (who's lack of size is really showing up) etc. Is this simply poor developmental projections based to player specific deficiencies? Is it poor dl coaching not being able to coach and develop them properly? Is it scheme vs talent vs usage mismatch? The draft certainly is a crap shoot, everyone misses, but we have let too many players who would have helped our offense fall through our hands to focus on defensive improvement. This is due to how Sean wants to build the team. I tend to think this is the reason behind Beane's presser today...

I mean it is fair to say we misjudged not only Hodgins as a WR, but also Teller at OG. Right, wrong or indifferent and without a ton of reflection on my part, it feels like we are targeting players in the draft to fit what Sean wants position wise and based on positional ranking. I'd like to see Beane really look at the talent available and get the right player, regardless of position. We had to have Elam with the hole from Wallace, but yet with hindsight and the amount of snaps he had, a 6th round rookie and Dane Jackson started over him. We certainly could have drafted Pickens there. Look at going after the WFT RB and how pissed Beane was. We traded around how many times to end up with Cook, how many snaps? Trade deadline need that RB who can catch and open up the offense, get Hines (who makes more $$ then Eckler), nothing on offense. This offense is complicated and hard to pick up none of these guys can play, but yet the Bengals defended our offense perfectly 66% of the time? GTFO with no changes. We have been outclassed and outclassed every year in the playoffs...

At the request of Sean and the vision he has for the team. It's perfectly fine to be critical of the team... This was a smart pivot for them, to free up cap space in future years and gain some picks to flexibly rebuild your roster with current trends in the league. Brilliant actually, but easy to be ballsy when you already have 1 SB. We are stuck for at least 1 more year to run it back. You aren't getting that haul for a 32 year old Poyer or Edmunds. Oliver, while I liked the pick at the time, is not worth the second contract amd won't get us picks for a trade. We are kind of stuck for a bit here...