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No disagreements here. It comes down to value, our board and teams above and below wanting to move or stay put. Top notch talent seems to be the DL in general at the top end and a move up in RD1 for that would be for one of those guys. Otherwise I'm not sure how much we would slide back in RD1 unless we can pick up a 2nd rounder this year. I can definitely see us moving up in RD2-7

I buy the report that the Jets are desperate to move back, they gave up picks last year - their GM has to win now and quickly and in a deep draft like this, they need as many players as they can get IMO

Maybe we should merge our threads and call it "We have no Fu^&ing Clue Jets are going to do?"

McD prioritizes Interior DL pressure over edge. After QB pass rush/pressure is the next highest positional value

I still think that if they do move up, he will try to include a 2020 #1 instead. It's hard to give up our #2 here, I would give up a 3rd this year though

Awesome Dude! I had a similar thought and pulled mine apart and stuck a bunch in the Matt Miller Oliver thread. When you look at what Beane & McD have said and what you put together I think we can start to put a pretty strong picture together as to where we are going!

LOL I love the top few DL in this draft and Beane will certainly be aggressive if he has a partner (or needs one). Oliver, Allen Williams Bosa are head shoulders above others in this class.

2017 was not Beane, I hesitate how much you use that draft as a trade up and trade down example. I excluded that draft for my thought process since the entire front office changed right after the draft. 2018 on is what to look at. We seem to be aggressive when we zero in on a player - Allen and they had no scenarios where Edmunds was available at 22, he slid enough to make them move. I expect us to be aggressive here if they have someone ranked highly enough the depth below them...

Realistically how much to do want to give up? 49ers and Jets are in play I believe but that is like 2019-1 & 2, 2020-1 and maybe more. I would think teams would want more picks this year in a very deep draft? The Raiders certainly would like another #1 next season, the other teams might not....

Which is why you move up to go get your guy

Also our predraft visits (at least 26 of them) broke down like this:

Roll the dice. If they have a strong conviction you go and get your guy. We are not going to have a top 5 pick next year...

I think it will be the Bucs or NYG. I like NYG a lot as a move up as it isn't a huge jump in terms of picks to give up. From Beane: I know I say ‘draft the best player available,’ and I truly mean that. But if there’s a guy that’s best player available and he fits a need, that is also telling you what you should do with the board,” Beane said. “It’s not that we’re trying to ignore needs, but that we’re trying to fill needs. But you can’t reach for needs, and that’s why I gave the example last time. If we had not picked the quarterback at #12 last year if we had stayed put and said, ‘Well, what the heck. We’re just going to pick a quarterback at #22, no matter who it is’ without having a first-round grade on them, then it doesn’t make sense.” Beane: And that’s why I’m going to continue at times to be aggressive when it needs to be aggressive.” McD “I don’t even know if this is a word … responsibly non-patient,” McDermott said. “Right? It’s like calculated aggressiveness." From Me: We targeted a QB last year and when up to get him...

I'm OK with a 2020 1st rounder. We should be in the late teens to mid 20s. I think that draft will be like last years, a decent 1-12ish and then a bunch of the same grades from the mid first through 2nd. There are 111 underclassman who declared (record high), which seems like it will be a bit thin in regards to depth of talent. The 2019 draft is very deep and stocked with talent. I'd do all that I could to hold on our #2 this year and give a 2019 3rd and 2020 1st to move up. I would look to use some of our collection of mid & late round picks to move back up in RD3 this year

Jets are determined to trade out of #3 According to multiple NFL sources, the Jets seem "determined" to trade down in the first round of the NFL Draft, which begins on Thursday in Nashville. Jets GM Mike Maccagnan has made it clear several times that he's "open" to the idea, though he may be downplaying just how open to it he actually is. "They seem to really, really want to move down," said one NFL executive. "Maybe they're just keeping their options open, but it sure seems like that No. 3 pick is for sale."

https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/sources-jets-seem-determined-to-trade-down-in-first-round-of-nfl-draft/306414048 According to multiple NFL sources, the Jets seem "determined" to trade down in the first round of the NFL Draft, which begins on Thursday in Nashville. Jets GM Mike Maccagnan has made it clear several times that he's "open" to the idea, though he may be downplaying just how open to it he actually is. "They seem to really, really want to move down," said one NFL executive. "Maybe they're just keeping their options open, but it sure seems like that No. 3 pick is for sale."

With WR, there isn't a lot of separation on the top 3-4 and that depth lasts through RD2. I would even argue that we may take a TE before a WR based on these quotes: “Yeah, I don't you know, I'm not one that subscribes to a ‘number one receiver.’ Receiver’s a position that comes in all sorts of sizes. You’ve got the guys that are 6-5, 6-6, and out-jumping people and going over the top. And then you’ve got some 5-7, 5-8 guys that are making plays. Even the Super Bowl champions, they've won with those types of guys. So there's a lot of different sizes, flavors, veterans, young guys, speed, size. We're just looking for good football players, good receivers that can make plays and that Josh can count on (that) when he throws them the ball, they're going to be where they're supposed to be and they're going to make the plays.” "Yeah, I liked it when we were on offense, when it was third and about five, I knew we were going to go get a first down because we had Greg Olsen, McDermott started. "At an early age, I feel like that I learned how important that tight end position is to a quarterback and a particular young quarterback. It becomes a security blanket."

Gosselin from Dallas Morning news = the king

I'm convinced we will move up to get Allen, Williams, or Oliver. When you go through everything that has been talked about, it is our most critical need. McD loves the inside pass rush (more so than edge) and my $$$ is on Oliver.

I was working on a new post, but F**k it. It will work here. All of the info out there screams an impact DLman to me for our first pick. The TLDR, Interior pass rush is critical to disrupting an offense to McD. If there is good depth and not much separation between the tiers Beane will push that need down the draft (WRs this year). TE they look for pass clocking, run blocking and catching form a TE and there is good depth here. I almost think that you might see a TE go before a WR for us in this draft. I always find it fun to parse through everything that's been said and try to see how we are looking at the draft overall, positions, player talent, and who “our” type of guys are. I know there are ton of threads out there already for DK, Oliver, Hock etc. But let's actually look at our visits, what Beane has said and what McD has said and see if we can logically (hard for some members here) and see who really fits the criteria regardless of our wants. Backup info & there is a ton: Some Beane & Mc D Quotes: 1.) General Draft info “To me, you draft the best player available,” Beane said. “If the so-called premium positions are gone, or if you don’t have a guy that is up there at a premium position, you shouldn’t take him.” Beane: And that’s why I’m going to continue at times to be aggressive when it needs to be aggressive.” McD “I don’t even know if this is a word … responsibly non-patient,” McDermott said. “Right? It’s like calculated aggressiveness." 2.) On DL “I think defensive front. I think there's definitely some depth there, it looks like, early on. “I think it’s solid. I don’t know if I want to label it as off-the-charts great. I’d have to really go back and look,” he said. They also still have needs on the defensive line, and Beane mentioned the defensive line talent in this draft. He added a caveat, though. “If there’s truly depth at any position,” he said, “then that allows you push that need down the draft.” Chris Trapasso: In McDermott’s system — like most 4-3 alignments — the defensive line is unleashed on the opponent’s backfield (and quarterback) in a relentless one-gap onslaught. There’s little to no two-gapping for defensive linemen. That’s more important than anything else in this article. McDermott’s (and originally Johnson’s) idea is that quick penetration into the opponent’s backfield from any one of the defensive linemen is the fastest and most efficient way to disrupt the offense. This scheme doesn’t “protect” linebackers against pulling guards. It’s designed to stop run plays before the pulling guard’s block can have an effect at the second level. McD: "Yeah that's big. That's really big. To be able to get pressure from the inside... you know, people would argue that there's ways to take away the edge rusher more than there is ways to take away the inside, the interior rusher, and I would probably agree. The ability to pressure an effective quarterback from the inside out is critical when you want to play good football on defense. So, you've got to make sure that you've got enough of those guys." 3.) On WRs: I think there's a lot of receivers, too, that, again, a lot of different shapes and sizes, but it seems like it's a pretty good group, a pretty good draft class all around. I don't think there's a position that's just, wow, thin anything like that.” “Yeah, I don't you know, I'm not one that subscribes to a ‘number one receiver.’ We're just looking for good football players, good receivers that can make plays and that Josh can count on (that) when he throws them the ball, they're going to be where they're supposed to be and they're going to make the plays.” You know, some of these programs now are just signaling to the receivers or maybe even an individual receiver and that's one of the things that we try to do in the formal (interviews) is we watch a little tape and we try and find out what they know. And is it do they not know it because they can't learn it or is it do they not know it because they were not taught it? And with the 20-hour rule or whatever it is in the NCAA, a lot of these coaches have gone to that, where they've got three to four different guys that are signaling to, one to the receivers, one of the backs, one of the line, and so you wish you had the these guys (getting) more development time. I mean, that's part of the process with receivers and, again, tight ends. Some of those guys come in the same thing, the ones that are flexed out and not not in line with their hand in the dirt.” 4.) on TEs Beane said he breaks down tight ends in three categories: pass catcher, run blocker, and pass blocker. Here’s Beane’s explanation for scouting tight ends. “So as we’re going through these tight ends those are the three areas we focus on,” Beane said. There's some guys that are some really good blockers but maybe they're not as good as receivers. There's some guys that you really don't want to block in a six tech but they're great in the passing game. So similar to receivers, there's different flavors at tight end and we've done our homework there. Free agency will be first, but the draft, there's some depth at tight end. From my point of view, and same as free agency, there's some guys that are really good athletes that maybe we need to improve their blocking. Or maybe they weren't asked to block, so we’ve got to do some more research and maybe they can once they’re taught, but there will be a growth opportunity for them if given the opportunity, whatever team they're on.” "Yeah, I liked it when we were on offense, when it was third and about five, I knew we were going to go get a first down because we had Greg Olsen, McDermott started. "At an early age, I feel like that I learned how important that tight end position is to a quarterback and a particular young quarterback. It becomes a security blanket."

What a sad chain of events...

They were a joke before Arians and a joke after. I'm glad it isn't us anymore

joke of a franchise - run for the hills

They just edited him back in: