Reed83HOF

spent more time in the endzone than the Jets

poor cat wandered out there and probably thought it would be empty

I like us being under the radar right now, it leaves Josh and the rest of the younger players to focus on honing their craft and becoming better and not trying to keep up with Randy "Tegridy" Mayfield

I don't disagree with this Also, don't forget all of the same Gore up the gut plays yesterday for 1 yard - how many times do you need to run that to see it doesn't work?

So can we talk about Josh's passINg yards?

You can't necessarily play the firing and hiring OC dance with a young QB and I am not absolving McD on playing Jauron ball when we have the lead. The optimistic me says, we are protecting Josh and working through his hero ball and poor decision issues, by going into a shell and not giving him those chances. this will help with his overall development and the eventually the chains will come off... The pessimistic me says we have seen this time in and time out with other coaches and Daboll hasn't exactly set the world on fire as an OC before...

We need to thank this guy (& how I feel about seeing this stat):

I did too. Only comment I will make regarding this thought: You would think that if we are looking at this right now, I would hope during the trade deadline we sniffed around the DT position. It just seems like a move could have been made, much easier than WR, edge etc. without giving up a ton. Granted we have no idea what the prices were or what our thoughts were at that time, but I sure as hell hope we called around and kicked some tires... LOL...I will fix it

?hmmm; homer wasn't the word I expected there...

A pretty good refresher for people: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/prospect-battle-royale-ed-oliver-vs-quinnen-williams Paraphrasing: Production If this battle were fought purely on paper, Oliver would win in a landslide. The man already has 13.5 tackles for loss and three sacks this season, pushing his three-year career totals to 52 tackles for loss and 13.5 sacks in 31 games. And to be honest, those numbers don't even do his performances justice. Get Off/Burst Even from a square stance playing in the A-gaps, one of Oliver's biggest strengths in his first step. He has elite explosiveness off the ball coming from his twitched-up lower half, threatening his opponent directly off the ball. This may be the hardest trait for certain offensive linemen to overcome 1v1, because if you can't match Oliver athletically, you need to be a technical wizard to slow him down. Edge: Oliver Leverage/Pad Level Again, you won't find a weakness here from either player. It might be the biggest strength of both of their games, and the most natural. Oliver is 6-foot-1 and Williams is listed 6-foot-3, and both play with that kind of built-in leverage that make them impossible to supplant despite not being the biggest defensive tackles. They also get into your pads right off of the snap. There is no mistaking who is in control with either of these players on any given snap. Both of them will physically take you places you don't want to go if you're an opposing offensive lineman. Power comes from leverage and hand placement, not your listed weight on the roster. Anyone who tells you "Ed Oliver wins more with quickness and athletic ability than raw power" is being lazy and hasn't actually watched him. The dude is a complete freight train and has physically manhandled the AAC for three years. Double teams don't even help, as Oliver is too low and anchored to the ground for opponents to find any good surface area to displace him. Edge: Push. There's no way you can dock either player in this category. Hand Usage With all due respect to Ed Oliver, this is Quinnen Williams' area of expertise. The redshirt sophomore has truly rare hand usage, not only as a run defender, which we've already witnessed in the clip above, but also as a pass rusher. The list of collegiate interior defensive linemen that I've ever scouted with his hand usage is extremely short. Oliver's hand usage, especially in the run game, is exceptional. He doesn't have the longest arms, but he knows how to use them to his advantage to stay clean and shed blockers. But as a pass rusher, one of his biggest concerns is that he relies more on his natural athleticism than having a bevy of moves to get to the quarterback. Edge: Williams Secondary Traits I break the secondary traits up into four categories: Rush Moves, Mental Processing, Range and Stack-Shed (ability to get off blocks). Rush Moves goes to Williams, as I already mentioned. Oliver has flashed a spin and some other techniques at times, but too often when his first move is stopped he doesn't have a secondary plan of attack. That will be one of the key areas for him to improve in the NFL, and one of the biggest differences between he and Aaron Donald, a player who he is often compared to, as prospects. If Oliver develops a more consistent plan of attack and learns to beat opponents in a variety of ways, look out. He might be the most athletic defensive tackle we've ever scouted, with incredible range, change-of-direction and ability to play in space. Oliver has a linebacker's movement skills in a defensive tackle's body. I love Quinnen Williams and think he is clearly a great athlete for his position, but he ain't doing that. Nobody is. Oliver takes the Range category with ease. I'll give Mental Processing and Stack-Shed to Williams, while recognizing that Oliver is good in the first area and excellent in the second. The most surprising thing to me about Williams' game is how good he is at finding the football while engaged at the line of scrimmage. Typically that takes awhile to develop, but he is just so aware of everything a defensive lineman should be aware of - depth from the line of scrimmage, misdirection tendencies, traps, quarterback movement - on any given snap. Size/Level of Competition If there is an area of understandable concern for Oliver, it is his size and level of competition. There is very little he can do about either, outside of rewinding time and choosing to go somewhere other than Houston. I've been told Oliver's weight is between 270-275 pounds, which would make him the lightest full-time interior defensive lineman in the NFL. There is no doubt that he is small for his position (smaller than Donald, who was 285) and that given that size, his level of competition would come into question as a result. The concerns are valid and should be an important part of his evaluation, but I think his traits and tape are just overwhelming. There is a small amount of risk with Oliver given the projection to a totally different level of football, especially if he weighs in lighter than expected, but it's a risk I'll take in the top five picks of the draft. His ceiling is that high The Verdict Right now, Oliver remains on top of my interior defensive line rankings, but this one is going to come down to the wire. I haven't run either player through my formal grading scale yet, and Combine testing will also play a big role in what will likely be very similar film grades. Essentially, Williams is the more pro-ready player due to his technique and mental processing, while Oliver is still outstanding in both of those areas while also being the superior athlete. Yet Williams is still an impressive athlete with all the physical traits you could really want at the position. There simply isn't much downside to either player. Are you catching on yet? Both of these guys are incredible, and while one will need to be ranked above the other before it is all said and done, the duo should be under the blue chip section of every draft board. The draft process always reveals a few things we didn't notice before, but right now Oliver's ceiling is still alluring enough for me to bet on that upside. Barely. Maybe. By a hair? Man. I don't know. He's a rookie, has not had a full nfl offseason conditioning program, is now playing against the best players in the world (on a team that does not have a lot of sacks the last 2 years), drafted as an interior pass rusher who relied on his strength and power in college and now has to get better with his hands and other techniques to win consistently against top tier ILmen. Right now Phillips is playing great, he should get more playing time. I have been down on Ford as an LT, you have to balance winning and getting reps, I'm glad our best players are playing right now; the development will come along. This is way to soon to say bust or not

refreshing to see see a coach have some balls

poor greeny