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I get the cover 0 dictated was the check is, but I just don't like that call on 3rd and 4 with the game on the line (it's the circumstance and not anything other than that). The other issue is we were locked in on personnel as well at that point and wasted a ton of clock. I wonder if we have the play down enough to use the slot WR in motion across the line to beat it that way. I can't recall us using that play yet to beat it. It's just over all crappy that we were awful on 3rd down and even put ourselves in that position...sucks man I would also like to throw out there (for the masses and not you) Cover 0 is what the Cheats used against Darnold when he was seeing "ghosts".

Allen's pass wasn't bad - it was back shoulder IIRC

jesus christ. I just saw this thread...Are we really this far already? Usually you see the biggest jump for a QB in years 1-2; the only ones who took a bit longer are Brees and Alex Smith andi f you really go back, Aikman and Bradshaw. Allen being so green and raw coming out, you could easily argue this is a year 1 for him which will take us through the end of next season, which is fine honestly.

If you listen to his presser today, his moving away from the run was the Browns stuffing the box McD (I think it was him ,maybe it was Dabs) alluded to not winning at the line of scrimmage

It's the same play...in every thread...with the same comments...and the same answer...

same play we scored the TD against the Jets with.... I thought so, am supposing it isn't though.

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reads for every play based on matchups Full Video:

wants to see points scored every time we have the ball, whether TDs or FGS, wants to be a a big physical team. still believes in Josh, way too many penalties, pre-snap penalties are inexcusable Full video is up

Regarding your first point: The deflection was obviously the issue. Singletary went towards the Dawkins on the line to make it look like he was going to block and he did not get the blitzer to hesitate nor did he give him a chip, had he gotten a hesitation or the chip, Josh would have been as rushed with the throw. All that being said, had Allen put a little air under his toss, Singletary would have a very sizable gain. Again, he needs to develop the touch pass - they play was there to be made... Your second point: I would want some more size there, but they have to have some degree of speed. I can't say no to Beasley or even yes because I don't think I have ever watched him try to chip someone. I wouldn't do it with Roscoe Parrish; Singletary could do it, Knox, etc could. I assume Pedleman does it for the Cheats though, I never really watched him that close though tbh. I'm wondering if they went to Brown this time because the previous play was the deflected pass to Singletary? Not to beat this dead horse anymore, but had we called a TO and stopped the clock on Singletary's play we would have had 30+ more seconds.

I perfectly understand you as well!

We tried the play before in the game and we had it on the final drive as well to beat Cover 0 The terrible stats 3 for 10 with 2 sacks and 1 TD. The one play it doesn't look like we tried in this game to beat the Cover 0 was the slot WR in motion

Coaching the coaches. You did a really nice job with this write up!

Wrong, the answer is B. Based on the Cover 0 defense being shown, John Brown indicated that this was the predetermined play based on the Cover 0 defense. It's predetermined in our playbook to be a Go route with a back shoulder or over the top throw depending on the WR beating or being in tight coverage with the DB....

You have about 2 seconds on a Cover0 Blitz to get rid of the ball before the defender gets there. There are 2 plays that are acceptable to beat Cover 0; Quick routes or a Go Route. John Brown said he got tapped into the Go route - this is an automatic read in our offense based on the defense being played. On the go Route there are 2 options, if the defender beats the DB, you go over the top, if it is tight coverage, it is a back shoulder throw (which Allen did). The other option would have been to motion the slot WR across the line and have him block the end man on the line and there for taking 2 defenders out of the play. This would leave a basic Cover 1 coverage and allow the other routes to develop. I am assuming we chose the Go route because we aren't capable of this last point. I say this only because we have ran this "Go" play 10x so far and our results are bad, very bad... With the approx 2 seconds before the defender gets to the QB, this is basically a no read, just throw play and we chose the Go route... I wouldn't even call it a read, it was the only place he could go with it, there is no 2nd option. The play was you are throwing to Brown regardless and your only decision is if he beats the defender go over the top or tight coverage it's a back shoulder throw... You have about 2 seconds to make this play before the FS is on Allen

Here are Joe B's 7 (paraphrased) observations: https://theathletic.com/1368065/2019/11/11/7-observations-from-bills-browns-josh-allens-weaknesses-exposed-questionable-decisions-and-more/?source=shared-article 1) Allen has progressed but is now in a holding pattern For the fourth straight game, Allen did not throw an interception. Allen showed signs of life, and he doesn’t deserve all of the blame for Sunday’s loss. The Bills needed more from their starting quarterback on Sunday. He got a bit lucky with the fumble, which is another problem he must address. Outside of that, he had opportunities to make plays, specifically deep down the field, that he missed — and it’s not a one-game problem. Allen has failed to complete a deep ball in 2019 and has missed multiple opportunities for points. It’s often a low percentage throw, which is why you don’t go to it frequently during a game, but it shouldn’t be a no-percentage throw. It seems he’s still having some trouble diagnosing where the additional pressure is coming from pre-snap. As the Bills enter the stretch run, Allen needs to find the sweet spot between reckless and risk-less. He needs to have the mentality to take the game over, especially in late situations. But if the Bills aren’t reinforcing that it’s OK to take some calculated risks, they’d be denying Allen the cushion to try what made him so unique in the first place. The Bills need to figure out what’s most important. Is it for Allen to manage the game and avoid turnovers, or is it to allow him the freedom to do the things that drew them to him in the draft? 2) The lack of offense is a stark reminder of what 2019 is about Think about how much different you’d be feeling after this game if the Bills, and Allen, scored one more touchdown. Two more touchdowns and fans would be throwing a party that the offense finally had woken up. The margins are so slim in the NFL, but it’s truly the difference between good and great. What we see from this Bills offense is a reminder that they are good, but not great. The offense has sputtered far too often while juggling with what they want the identity of their quarterback to be in 2019. The Bills can’t tolerate mistakes or stagnancy forever, but this is the year that sets up the important one, in 2020. You hear it all the time from McDermott when asked about the big picture — they know the early success this year doesn’t take away from the groundwork they’re trying to put in place. The Bills have gone from a team with few expectations to playoffs-or-bust following their start, but right or wrong, that’s not what this season is all about to them. They want to make the playoffs, of course, but they’ve invested in setting the table for what they hope will be a big jump in 2020. Allen will be in his third year, and if a quarterback is going to hit, there’s usually a similarly big jump from the second to the third season. It’s not an excuse for losses like this one to Cleveland, which is a game the Bills probably should have won. They’re getting closer to executing their timeline. 3) The Bills’ leaks on defense have sprung The Bills’ run defense has come a long way since getting stomped left and right in coach Sean McDermott’s first season. But the pieces they’ve added can’t seem to get out of their way — it’s not a one-person problem. Browns running backs Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt found ways to confuse the Bills all game long. The Browns used the Philadelphia model of putting two running backs in the backfield, with one as a lead blocker, to try to force the Bills into mistakes. While they avoided giving up a long touchdown, they missed far too many tackles and improperly filled in the running lanes on too many occasions. The Bills seem to have a systematic flaw at the moment and have failed to provide an answer. Facing numerous potent rushing attacks in the coming weeks, the Bills have to make adjustments. They’ve switched up their rotations a bit, but the problems might call for defensive looks that are outside of their comfort zone. Before this week, I could understand the logic that it wasn’t the personnel, but the lack of execution, on a handful of plays. That isn’t the case any longer: Stopping the run has become a full-game problem, and one that requires a definitive answer next week. 4) Game on the line: Why Corey Liuget? On Cleveland’s game-winning drive, the Bills forced the Browns in to a third-and-7 at their own 35-yard line. It was a passing situation, so the Bills removed defensive tackle Lotulelei and inserted another pass rusher into the lineup to put more pressure on Baker Mayfield. Lotulelei had been on the field for just four plays before that one, so fatigue shouldn’t have been an issue. The Browns converted on the third down, which set them up at their own 44-yard line. On the ensuing first down, rather than putting Lotulelei back in the game, the Bills sent in Corey Liuget. Liuget had signed with the team the past Tuesday and, to that point, hadn’t taken a snap since the 4:02 mark in the third quarter. The Browns spotted Liuget and ran it at his side, easily turning him inside. Murphy attempted to get inside of the tackles to overcompensate, and Chubb bounced outside of Murphy. Chubb ran for 21 yards and put the Browns 35 yards out from the end zone. It was a potentially game-changing play. Excuse me for all of the rapid-fire reactions. Why was the team’s top run-stuffing defensive tackle, Lotulelei, not in the game at the most critical moment? The Bills changed their philosophy on their rotation patterns, so why was it on that play hat they elected to give Lotulelei a breather? And if not Lotulelei, why wouldn’t they put Oliver in the game along with Phillips? Why did it have to be the player they just signed on Tuesday that barely knows their system? It was illogical and a crucial error late in the game, especially when the Browns were having success on the ground. 5) The Bills aren’t getting enough from Trent Murphy The Bills haven’t been getting enough pressure from Murphy on pass-rush situations the whole season, but he’s remained in the coaching staff’s good graces because of his effort against the run. When Murphy is struggling against the run, justifying his starting spot becomes far more difficult. Murphy has been a complete non-factor when teams drop back to pass. Murphy’s lack of production as a pass rusher is the primary reason that defensive end is looking more like the team’s top draft need in 2020. 6) The Bills needed more Foster down the stretch Despite Allen’s lack of execution in the passing attack, the Bills employed strong personnel strategies against the Browns. The same can’t be said about the team’s final offensive drive. Daboll was consistently switching up the personnel during drives so that the defense couldn’t settle in against the same players. But when the Bills needed points to extend or win the game, the substitutions evaporated. Instead, Buffalo went with Singletary, Brown, Beasley, McKenzie and one either tight end Dawson Knox or Tyler Kroft.e caused the big pass interference penalty at the beginning of the game, and then roped in a 20-yard reception on a crossing pattern. And whenever he was on the field, the Browns gave him their full attention. When lined up on the side opposite Brown, Foster would sometimes draw free safety Damarious Randall closer to his side, which created more room for the Bills’ top wideout. With the game on the line, though, the Bills didn’t provide much variation and made the play predictable to the Browns. 7) Hat tip to a new fourth-down strategy There’s plenty of criticism to go around, but going for it on fourth-and-4 twice shouldn’t be one of the targets. One was at Cleveland’s 36-yard line and another at their 39. Neither attempt resulted in a conversion, but the fact they’re willing to go for it in those situations is a respectable shift in philosophy. The Bills have been more aggressive on fourth downs overall this season — they went for a two-point conversion after a penalty earlier in the season and have elected to enforce penalties against their opponents when given the option. They are taking steps to change their ways, and there are examples of them all season.

you have 2 rbs and 2 wrs on the brownies offense - I wouldn't have run much nickel against them....

and lee smith false starts

recovering and losing one is luck, repeatedly getting the ball knocked out of your hands is not a good and relying on luck for a recovery is not a justification.

yeah I know and this is the other part that is making me struggle with this. It's not that hard and the optimist in me is hoping there is another angle to it

It's nice to be able to go find the players we want and to get them for reasonable prices without sacrificing the future. You also cannot expect us to hit on all of them or even 50% of them.

You have about 2 seconds on a Cover0 Blitz to get rid of the ball before the defender gets there a deep ball is not necessarily the only play call - it is quick routes or a Go and Brown said he got tapped into the Go route. The other option would have been to motion the slot WR across the line and have him block the end man on the line and there for taking 2 defenders out of the play. This would leave a basic Cover 1 coverage and allow the other routes to develop. I am assuming we chose the Go route because we aren't capable of this last point. I say this only because we have ran this play 10x so far and our results are bad, very bad... It's not growing and that is the problem, it has been stagnant the last, what, 3-4 games? Allen has plateaued and when the play calling oscillates between having flow and moving the ball; running 4 verts on 3rd and short with Roberts & Beasley on the field; running Singletary 8 times against the 30th ranked run defense, wasting 30 seconds at the end of the game for a FG at a range where our kicker is not able to hit 50 yards, etc.

I'm struggling with the bottom part - how much of it is Juaron ball and how much of it is not believing in your offense (whether it is QB/WR/OC)? I can't believe I am defending McD here, but he has to know that our kicker missed his last 4 at 50+, is 61.5% on FG this year, has missed 10 FG since week 13 last year and deciding to put him in the situation for a tie is awful decision making and I am not sure he is that bad. The 30 second run off is something that I doubt we will ever know the truth about and I wonder if it was actually McD and Daboll not being on the same page. We even had a timeout. I hate the automatic check on the 3rd down; there was plenty of time, even with the 30 second debacle to get a first and get a few more plays before settling for the FG. It just seems like there was more going on there - there is no way McD can be that dumb

That's where I go back to the coaching and play calling. It almost reeks of the be aggressive but don't turn the ball over via INT and coaching him into not making the throws he would make last year. It's telling Farve to not take chances, so yeah you take away the INT's but you take away the essence as to who that QB is. Honestly if your coaching style and identity is to do that, you drafted the wrong QB in the first place...