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As Beane has since called it a rebuild - we are 3 years in with a QB on his rookie deal who is trending upwards and a team that is a playoff team short on elite talent - time to sign a a couple impact players to start getting us over the top

get ur tissues out

You sure don't want to overdraft, but I think we would move up a small bit to make sure we got who we wanted, more so than sliding back.

Long gone....next

I know you do - I was saying that in tongue in cheek manner LOL

No trade backs, we need elite talent and true playmakers on offense and a playmaking DE. Jesus bring up trade backs and the plebs on this board will start thinking that is the correct move - we aren't the Phins or Jets trying to fillout an NFL roster

Edge in RD1 in this draft is limited to about 2 great players, both who will be gone before we pick and there should be 2-3 WRs right around where we pick. Last years draft was a DL/DE draft, this years is a WR draft.

Again, no disagreement here. He will have a price driven higher than we will be comfortable paying, all I'm saying is looking at the relative value of the potential FAs in terms upgrading a position and the dollars being spent, we would be more wise to invest in a top guy like Yannick. It could also be a Judon or the one who I want but wont hit FA Barrett.

I don't disagree with this, I would rather have Lawson's youth and upside with a contract similar to Murphy's, 25 vs 29 for very similar production and I wonder if that is how Beane is figuring Shaq's value. If you just use either of them as a third DE; how much do you value that third DE as far as the salary cap per positional value vs Johnson let's say. Yannick is a premier piece that is affordable under our cap situation & won't preclude us from signing any of our own, fills a need and is an actual upgrade vs the players we have. You can do with with a 1 year bloated cost depending on how you structure or you can clear some space up at the same time. All I wanted to show in this post, is that it is possible to upgrade the Edge opposite Hughes at a relatively small increase in cap dollars allocated between LB & DE as it is today. The beauty of our cap situation as I posted in another thread is that - we are so well set up over the next 3 off-seasons, we can be extremely flexible and still sign our own plus to target upgrades at positions of need.

Drafted in 2016 and is only 24 this year, the graphic is small as hell. https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/07/campbell-says-its-going-to-be-tough-to-retain-yannick-ngakoue-adds-that-hes-a-generational-talent/ I think you guys all know in this room how both Doug and I feel about Yannick through our conversations over the years,″ Caldwell said last Tuesday. ″He is a tremendous player and even a better person. How he handled his business this year was tremendous. But I would say that’s priority No. 1 to make sure he comes back to Jacksonville and that he’s a Jacksonville Jaguar. Hopefully, we can get that done where he’s here for a long period of time.″ While those statements are certainly positive, most understand it will be easier said than done. Ngakoue’s teammate, Calais Campbell, also understands that retaining the young pass-rusher will be difficult, especially after how the Jags handled the situation last offseason. “Oh yeah, it’s going to be very tough,” Campbell said to Brent Martineau in an interview with Action News Jax. “I mean he’s a very strong-minded person and I would’ve loved to see a deal get done last year where there were no ifs, ands or buts about it. But when you get to free agency, even with the franchise tag, it’s going to be tough. At the same time, I really hope we figure out a way. He is a generational talent and you don’t get them all the time. He can change games and even when he doesn’t play his ball, he still makes a difference in the ball game.” As it stands, they will have to make some tough moves to free up cap space to pay him because they are over the cap by $1.51 million.

From last year's FA period - 1. Aggressive in adding offense All eight free agent signings by the Bills were made on the offensive side of the ball. There was a clear purpose to Buffalo’s early pursuit of free agents. “Obviously our cap was in a position where we could be aggressive in spots where we needed to be, but again try to be smart with our money,” Beane said. “Our offense, we knew where we ranked statistically, and it held us back in some games. We were looking in all areas (on offense), other than quarterback, to improve. 2. Plenty of cap room to seek upgrades Beane acknowledged that the pro personnel department was able to cover most of their free agent checklist in this first wave of free agency. Though their main focus will begin to shift toward the 2019 NFL draft, in no way will they shy away from the right opportunity if it presents itself. “We covered a lot of areas. You’re always greedy. You’re always saying you can try to upgrade here or there. Free agency is not over,” said Beane. “It doesn’t mean because I’m standing here that we’re done. We’re continuing to work. Someone could call in a week and say, ‘Hey we signed this other guy, do you want to trade for this guy?...if there’s a guy who comes available via cap release or trade, we’ll continue to try to find upgrades to our roster.” Beane currently pegged Buffalo’s cap room between “the high 30s and low 40s.” “We’ll tally it up once we’re done this week,” he said. “We still have plenty of room to maneuver, should the opportunity be there for a marquee player becomes available via trade or release.” 6. Nothing concrete on Ziggy Beane confirmed that free agent pass rusher Ziggy Ansah did make a visit to One Bills Drive and met with Buffalo’s front office and coaches. “We visited with Ziggy. He’s a great, young man,” said Beane. “We met with him. He’ll continue on his (visit schedule) and nothing on that front, but we enjoyed visiting with Ziggy.” Knowing Ansah missed half the season due to a shoulder injury, the visit was likely a due diligence effort with respect to the pass rusher’s physical health first and foremost. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/gm-brandon-beane-s-6-opinions-on-the-bills-2019-free-agent-class-thus-far You use free agency to help you so you’re not going to the Draft in April with all these holes, and now you’re drafting for need.” “We’ve got cap room, and we’re going to use it to fill some holes.” He added, “But we’ve also got to be wise with our money so that when these guys (veterans) are headed into years three and four (Tre’Davious, Matt Milano, that class) when they come up, we have money to spend.” “It’s a matter of balancing the draft and free agency.” Schoen understands the risks of free agency and how it could hinder long-term draft selections, stating, “Until we can pay some of our own young players that are homegrown, you have to be very careful who you’re paying from the outside and bringing into your locker room.” https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/25/buffalo-bills-bradon-beane-nfl-2019-draft-free-agency/ We looked last off season at pass rusher as well and last year the draft was a good DL/DE draft; this year not so much...

IMO, Beane was pretty clear that Jordan will be gone and it appeared that he has a very specific number in mind for Shaq Lawson,.

I took it this way as well, I watched that part of the presser 3 teams and came it with it every time. You could tell there were certain positions that he deemed critical - DE, RT & WR. When asked about WR he immediately jumped to the College all star game, East West Senior Bowl and then went to FA. He talked about Ford and RT and versatility and was non committal about him as the RT. He did talk about DE and needing a strong aggressive attacking front 4, he also talked about they would look for clear upgrades that are available, the preference is to sign their own if they have similar skill sets, since they know the player and there isn't much benefit in just swapping similar players out. He also made a reference that basically said we won't be going crazy in FA like we did last year, but they will target upgrades after they have their very frank discussions on the players who are trending up, trending down or plateauing. I see DE/Edge as a position they look to upgrade. The clear 2 players who are scheduled to be UFAs are Shaq Barrett and Yannick, TB has cap space and Jax has none....

He is not good enough and the position can be upgraded. As Beane did indicate yesterday - they will look to upgrade certain positions, but won't just sign FAs who are not part of the team with similar skill sets. He did also indicate that DE is a critical position. Shaq and Trent are close to Yannick's numbers and Using Edmunds as more of a blitzing pass rushing LB in nickel adds someone who can easily match Zo's production if not exceed it

How about 4 good years by the age of 24and entering his prime? I projected as best as I could with just a straight salary 5 years at 85 million is $17.1/season - granted the numbers will be off a bit or so in Yr1 with his bonuses and such. It is more of the exercise of salary committed to a positional role.

I like Shenault too and I really like Jeudy - but he would have to drop a bit for Beane to move for him. I can talk myself into like 10WRs right now. I need the combine and round 1 of FA to go before I start to settle in so I can see our draft needs and the teams ahead of us. I was trying to be provocative with my choice this early and going off of early RD1 projections that fits Beane's RD1 draft profile - Athletic freaks with a high ceiling... I like TDN, and I try to look at many different sites such as Rotoworld, Walterfootball, NFLN, CBS, Bleacher Report, etc. to get a wide view opinion, plus listen to some of our resident experts on here and I watch some film - I have done zero of that so far and am just starting to dig into it. This is a great point in what need in an RB

Using Info from Spotrac, I am sure if any of my quick assumptions are incorrect - this will be quickly pointed out. Here is what it would look like with us signing Yannick Just looking at the DE position overall with the players on our roster in 2019 and comparing the total contract value against next season using the following 1.) We don't resign Shaq, keep Trent & sign Yannick 2.) We keep Shaq (I used his 5th year option total), cut Trent & sign Yannick 3.) We don't resign Shaq, cut Trent & sign Yannick Would you pay the extra $4 million in cap space for option 3 vs 2019? Keep in mind the following: We spend more than the league average on DEs & both Beane and McD have said that we want to be aggressive and attacking with out front 4 As you can see we spend $25.5 million vs the League average of $13.2 million We also have the potential to cut the $4 million extra down with the $3.75M saved by losing LorAx, who will most likely be replaced with a 2 down LB if sign a pass rushing DE. Here is a scenario: We are $3.9 million under in LB next year as a result. We typically under spend at this position vs the league average: Would you make this trade off?

100% agree

I'm not 100% sure - it feels like Harrison played like 10 snaps this year. Where I was going with this was to simply say that we played basically the entire season without Harrison and that getting him back will make the loss of Jordan less severe, since we gain that experienced DLman back. With Taylor, Harrision, Oliver, Star that is a good amount of depth & money tied up in the DL. Luiget was only $930K - we are not going to add a huge pay upgrade to Jordan with what we already have - those cap dollars will be allocated to another position. I also hate that they both have the same last name because when I typed Phillips it got confusing as to who the hell I was talking about An OLB in RD 1 for what? We play nickel coverage a ton, LorAx was on the field for pass rushing. The LB we technically need is a 2down run stuffer - a 4th or 5th rd pick or a cheap FA right there Sign a Pass rusher in FA and dump Shaq and replace LorAx's pass rushing from the end position. Beane and McD both want to get pressure from the 4 lineman primarily and have said so frequently.

I like Phillips, but Beane was pretty specific that his trajectory is up, he still has room to go and he has the right to test the market. It just felt like the way he talked about him and with then with Harrison being out for most of the season, felt like he was saying nope. With Shaq, he said they loved how he rose to the challenge and had a great year, but I am fairly sure he won't overpay if it gets too crazy There is plenty of time and room for Tre - this is not the season for it. Beane said they want to retain him and have him here for a long time - chill out

I think it was pretty clear Jordan Phillips is gone and Shaq has a set limit as to what we are willing to spend - other posters felt that way as well in the original Beane Presser thread

The agenda is we scored 12 points on 10 drives and lost thew game because we didn't score enough to end the game

I don't disagree btw, I just don't see us adding 2 ends in the next 2 seasons and cutting bait with him immediately after we get a second one, I think he gets the season after unless his play really drops off. We want pressure with our front 4 and I just don't see one of them being Shaq

Elite WR#1 & End#1, backup RB available in RDs 4-6, LB we need to repalce Zo is a 2 down back- we play a ton of Nickel and Edmunds & Milano should be on the field Zo rushed the passer which with a better end we will do, you are not drafting a Kicker or a punter and RT is available around pick 30-40 or via FA Trading back allows you to fill out a mediocre roster, which we do not have. To advance further in the playoffs you need more top flight players, which we have very little of. I'm also not young

I actually think Daboll earns his worth with knowing the Alabama WRs and my guess is that we won't move up for Jeudy unless he drops close to 10, my guess is Ruggs. He checks every box Beane has shown thus far in his first round draft picks - beyond special athletically and super high ceiling. Ruggs may be the fastest WR in the class and plays with ridiculous breakaway ability once the ball is in his hands. He may not be as complete as other receivers, but his play making ability is rare. Ruggs is far from just a speed receiver, though. He has shown flashes of nuance in his route tree through sinking his hips into his cuts and showing off body control when flipping his hips or making tough adjustments to the ball. He has natural ball skills and can track down balls at a high level. Ruggs is also a tough runner after the catch, showing off impressive contact balance and determination for a receiver with his frame. The dynamic playmaker is an athletic mismatch for just about any cornerback, and he has shown he has more tools in his skill set than the average speedy receiver. Pros - Unbelievable speed. There won’t be many - if any - players on opposing defenses that can keep pace with him. Absolutely destroys pursuit angles with the ball in his hands. Rare ability to accelerate and achieve unprecedented speed. Isn’t just a fast guy - football skills are absolutely present at a high level. Features outstanding body control and ball skills that make him effective in contested situations. Plenty of reps that illustrate his ability to elevate and win through contact when necessary. Has no issues establishing his frame at the catch point and hauling in the football outside his frame with extension. Makes excellent adjustments to the football in every direction. Competitive demeanor is evident in everything he does. Works his tail off to block and competes with the ball in his hands post-catch. Cons - A touch lean but plenty big for his size. Has room for technical growth as a route runner. As it stands, he is fully capable of separating based on athleticism but he can be even more dangerous with more work selling breaks and creating leverage. He has RARE run after catch ability and is a threat to take it the distance whenever he touches the football. For a WR he displays good lower body strength to run through arm tackles. He is well coached and will get his correct route depth. He’s disciplined and plays hard when he doesn’t have the football, evidenced in his willingness to be a stalk blocker down the field on run plays. In the passing game he is excellent. If you do not reroute him at the LOS, he will beat you with excellent foot quickness or good upper body strength. When he beats you off the line, it could be a TD every time. For this reason he forces corners to play soft press at the LOS.