Albany,n.y.

There were only 5 teams that drafted before the Bills at 7, so it's hard to say he wasn't on other teams radar. Cleveland got sold on analytics & Mayfield's competitive spirit & drafted him #1 and wasn't drafting another QB at 4 and their asking price to trade uip to 4 was too much for any team to trade with them. The Giants weren't sold on any QBs, they thought by adding a player they thought was the best player in the draft, Barkley, they could win with Manning. Their coach at the time, Pat Shurmur, was quoted in the media before the Bills played the Giants: Kim Jones @KimJonesSports Pat Shurmur said before 2018 draft, #NYG thought QB Josh Allen “had a chance to be a starter” in the NFL. Seems like a pretty low bar.... so I followed up. Shurmur repeated the line. BUFvsNYG on Sunday. The Jets: It's not known who their top QB was, rumors had Mayfield as their top guy, but after Mayfield went #1, the Jets felt they couldn't take Josh over Sam Darnold, who was a media darling who had played college ball in LA & with a major program. Denver decided they weren't drafting a QB when they signed Case Keenum to a big contract and like the Giants thought they had a win now team with the addition of Bradley Chubb, who many scouts had as the best defensive player in the draft. The Broncos loved Chubb, but if he wasn't available would have traded the pick to the Bills for both our 1st rounders & a 2nd (see board in post above) Indianapolis wanted 1 player, Quenton Nelson to protect Andrew Luck & had no idea Luck would be retiring a year later.

Those of us who went to Jim Kelly's Hall of Fame induction got to see Madden present Dave Casper. I remember seeing him riding in the parade when we got there in the morning & hearing him present Casper later that day.

It will if you're too sick to play.

I don't know what Cleveland & the Jets did when they were choosing their 2018 QBs, but I've read stories that the Bills watched and charted every throw Josh made in college on film, watched him on the sidelines to see how he interacted with his teammates & coaches, talked to his coaches and watched & interviewed him at the Senior Bowl & had visits including private workouts and interviews with him both in Wyoming & Orchard Park and even judged his character by how he treated the office staff in Orchard Park. Beane always was able to explain why Josh's completion % in college was not indicative of an inaccurate QB who would struggle in the NFL.

Most QB stats are garbage. Going into last night they said Tua was leading the league in completion %. Among other things, that most likely tells me that Tua doesn't do a lot of throw aways when plays break down. Rob Johnson had an inflated completion % & QB rating because he preferred to be sacked than throw it out of bounds when nobody was open. RJ also ended up with a higher completion % than Jim Kelly (61.3% [60.5 as a Bill] to 60.1%). As Buffalo Bills, Rob Johnson (85.5) had a better traditional QB rating than Jim Kelly (84.4). For their total careers RJ's 83.6 was just 0.8 points lower tham Kelly's. They weren't on the same planet on the field. Also if a team has a top goal line RB and not a Kelse type TE, the QB will have fewer red zone TD passes than if he didn't have that RB, and had a guy like Kelse, inflating the QB's stats. I remember watching Josh early in his career when he looked like a future star on the field and a dud on the stat sheet. Every time he threw it away to avoid a loss in yardage (with the Bills worst receivers & OL in recent memory), I was happy and cheered a wise decision but at the same time I knew it would hurt his stats and the stat boys would be there to criticize his numbers. The only way to properly evaluate QBs is to WATCH THE GAMES. The problem is it's very difficult to watch a game, especially if you are watching it with other fans, due to socializing factors and pay proper attention to the game, so many fans revert back to stats to define players. That's why the pros spend hours reviewing film & don't spend minutes looking at stats.

Wildcat the whole game.

Blake Bortles : Come on down

Ian Peterman

I just saw the back sports page of Newsday: "Fromm Bad to Worse"

I looked at the last 20 years & the Bills have about a 30% hit rate on 5th rounders. Some, like Fromm, never played a down for the Bills. So the reality is if they didn't take Fromm, they still would be expected to draft a bust 70% of the time in the 5th round. Fromm just fell into the majority.

The 5th round is the time you take a flyer on a guy. They had him pretty high on their board at that point. The Bills don't have a long term answer at backup QB & the 5th was as good a round as any to try to find one. Unfortunately, Fromm didn't show much from the time he got here. Last year reports out of camp were pretty dismal & this year they didn't get much better. They gave him the beneit of the doubt because they didn't have the normal off season practices last year and no preseason games. When I heard Fromm was starting Sunday my 1st thoughts were he's going to have a game rivaling Peterman's career.

I'm not sure about posters, but there was definitely a Boston sportswriter who before the 2020 season predicted Fromm would end up as the Bills starter before the end of the season. I think it was wishful thinking on his part because deep down he knew the only way the Patriots would ever win another AFC east title would be after Josh is no longer the Bills starting QB.

McDermott outcoached Belichick today. Hit the road.

He'll get his MVP-In the Super Bowl!

He's taking Beasley's spot and has responded. It reflects well on him and the Bills coaches,

I hit dislike because the link has the Bills picking 20th, ahead of NE. BOO!

Have you seen Rosen play? The last time I saw him he came in in garbage time threw a pick & got pulled for Atlanta's 3rd stringer-with nothing on the line, the game was essentially over! If he's still their #2, I could see Rosen playing in the 4th quarter if the bills are blowing out Atlanta. It could end up the same: Rosen in, throws a pick, Rosen benched. This week I was looking at a 2018 draft day video and I still can't believe how bad Rosen turned out. The guys on the NFL network broadcast loved Rosen, especially Troy Aikman, who definitely preferred the wrong Josh. When Rosen made Atlanta, I was rooting for him to turn things around, but after watching him in the game he got pulled, I've completely written the guy off. It must really suck to be so good in college to be a top 10 pick at the most coveted position & not be able to play in the NFL. Sort of like the characters in the song Glory Days.

Cleveland, NYG, NYJ, Denver & Indy. All would be a better team if they had drafted Josh instead of the guy they picked. The only one with an excuse was Indy because they had no idea Luck would retire a year later & went with the best offensive lineman to protect him.

Ditto, Ditto.

Ditto

Don't be so proud, call Kamil Loud.

For the job they've done this year our O-line deserves Meadcoin. @mead107

One time a guy near us threw up on himself, left his seat, came back & when he returned security kicked him out.

I know, but I couldn't resist joking about it since there are people that tell others never to tell anyone their mother's maiden name.

Every day is Festivus on Bills message boards with a daily airing of grievances. One day the Bills will go 17-0, sweep the playoffs and shut out all their opponents except for the Super Bowl where they'll give up 3 points & someone will blame the coach for ruining a perfect season.