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Mock drafts before mid-late April are worthless because pre-draft rosters aren't set yet. You can take any February 2022 mock draft and throw it out, since so many high picks have been traded this month. As the mocks get closer to the 1st day of the draft they can be more valuable, However, you have to evaluate your source-for example Mel Kiper tends to make his mock drafts based on his ratings rather than who might realistically be picked. He kept mocking Josh to Cleveland because Josh would have been his pick if he was drating for Cleveland. One time I found a list of many mock drafts compiled in 1 place. In 2018 there were a lot of mocks that had the Bills trading up for Josh. Some were due to the fact it wasn't a well kept secret who the Bills wanted among the media. So the mock drafters who have good sources & don't apply their own biases are the best ones. I don't have any specific names, here's a link back to 2018. I stopped after looking at 36, 21 of which had josh going to the Bills. Once I got past the 1st page I figured it would take forever to open up all the mock drafts 1 at a time, but there's a ton of them here: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2018

Once you even mentioned stats you lost me. I hate opinions backed up by QB stats, because stats don't tell me anything. Let me tell you what i SAW. I saw glimpses of brilliance, which is what I look for in a rookie QB. I saw a team that was devoid of offensive talent that as a rookie, Josh carried to 5 wins in 11 starts and it should have been 6 if Peterman didn't lose the Houston game for him. 5 wins in 11 starts with that team was almost a miracle. I saw him turn an obscure, undrafted WR, Robert Foster, into an NFL receiver. No other QB in the league, including Aaron Rodgers, has gotten anything out of Foster. After his rookie year, that you think was bad, I was so impressed that I made future bets on the 2019 Bills including making the playoffs and cashed every one. See, I watched him light it up against Miami in his rookie finale & because I'm not a stat slave, it reminded me a lot of another QB who had some rough times as a rookie & then the light came on at the end of his rookie year-Eli Manning. I still remember the people here in 2006 who didn't see Manning play proclaiming JP Losman was better than him-I told them they were very wrong because when I watched Manning play & watched JP play, Manning was a far superior QB. I guess the stat boys thought becauuse JP had completed 62.5% of his passes in 2006 & Eli had completed 57.7% that JP was better.

I can't see Diggs playing this season with the Bills under his present contract. Right now he's keeping his mouth shut & letting his agent work behind the scenes with the Bills, but if he doesn't get a new deal he won't be playing the good soldier like he currently is. I think the posters who are saying just let him play this season without any adjustments are dreaming. Diggs isn't going to be playing under his current contract-book it.

We must be winning the off-season. After yesterday's Hill trade the Bills are down to +375 to win the AFC at Caesars & +360 at Bet Rivers. My bet in February was at +425 to win the AFC. At the time Bet Rivers was +400.

The smartest thing for Mayfield to do is to collect his $18+ million salary for 2022 and compete with Brissett for the starting job in Cleveland until Watson comes back from (a probable) suspension. Start the season & use it to get your next contract with a possible mid-season trade in the mix. If Mayfield can light it up early, it's a win-win for him & the Browns since he can be traded & sign an extension & the Browns can get a lot more than they can currently get. This works if both sides start acting like adults, which might be next to impossible.

The irony is yes, Clausen was #1 for his draft year (Sam Bradford was 2nd, same grade 9.3), but that was in a bad QB draft. I went through Mel Kiper's guides from 1992 to 2013 (the final year he published a printed draft guide) and most years the top rated QB was higher than Clausen's 9.3. The top 10 appears to stop at 9.7, which I'm assuming is Josh's rating based on the fact that Tim Couch who was listed among the 5 below the top 10 had a 9.6 rating. Since both Manning & Leaf were 9.7s, and Luck was 9.8, it appears all top 10 except the top 2 all were 9.7s (I don't have Elway's grade). Kiper gets a lot of flack for Clausen, but in reality, Clausen is pretty low among Kiper's top QBs of their draft year. There are many above 9.3 who were not Kiper's top QB for their class.

Here's an article Kiper wrote after the 2021 draft. He lists his top 10 rated QBs of all time. Josh is #10, 9th at the time of the 2018 draft. His top 10 are 1) Elway, 2) Luck, 3) P. Manning, 4) Lawrence 5) Kelly, 6) Ware, 7) Bledsoe, 8) Leaf, 9) Aikman, 10) Allen https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30920143/mel-kiper-highest-graded-quarterbacks-ever-nfl-draft-john-elway-ranks-first-1979-trevor-lawrence-makes-top-10 10. Josh Allen, Wyoming Draft class: 2018 Pick: No. 7 overall, Buffalo Bills What I wrote at the time: "Allen has crushed the pre-draft process and is in the mix to be the No. 1 overall pick. He has shown improvement at the Senior Bowl and at the combine, and he has a high ceiling. Allen is super raw but can really sling it. His numbers weren't great in 2016 (28 touchdown passes, 15 interceptions while completing 56 percent of his passes), and his numbers weren't great in 2017 (16 touchdown passes, six interceptions while completing 56.3 percent of his passes), but NFL teams will take into account the talent around him. The Wyoming offense lost 47 touchdowns from the 2016 team, along with its center. I think Allen's numbers will be much better in an NFL offense with NFL players. He put some strong film together in the Cowboys' bowl win, throwing three touchdown passes in the first half, even while recovering from a shoulder injury." Career notes: Allen broke out in Year 3 in Buffalo, completing 69.2% of his passes and throwing 37 touchdown passes with only 10 picks. He finished second in the MVP voting while leading the Bills to the AFC title game. Allen, who turns 25 this summer, has inserted himself into the top tier of NFL signal-callers.

Seattle, New Orleans & Carolina with Jimmy Garoppolo & Baker Mayfield still having 3 landing spots available. A dark horse is Detroit as a 4th spot.

Franchise QBs are rare. Just look at most teams' gaps between franchise QBs (Bills 22 years between Kelly & Allen for example). So, some teams have to settle for a starter who is not considered a franchise QB and feel it's better to have some semblance of stability than trotting out a different QB every season.

Not stupid at all. Washington is hoping for a long term answer with Wentz. Wentz is 29, Ryan will soon be 37. Indy already knows they have to have a Ryan succession plan on the day he arrives, Washington has hopes they can bring out the best in Wentz. Indy is not a great front office-they gave up multiple picks including this year's #1 for a year of Carson Wentz & some lower picks from Washington.

A veteran like Keenum can win us a game or 2 if Josh has a minor injury that keeps him out less than a month, a rookie or a developmental QB might not be able to do that. Those games could be the difference between home field advanyage & going on the road. As long as we're a Super Bowl contender, I like having a backup QB who has starting experience.

The Colts are on their 5th starting QB in 5 years. They're treating the starter's job like the Bills have started to treat the backup QB spot-bring in a different veteran for a year. I suspect as long as the Bills Super Bowl window is wide open this trend will continue for the Bills. There's no need to spend draft capital on a rookie backup QB who would never be ready to start & won't really be able to develop into a reliable backup behind Josh.

He's an unrestricted free agent.

How can a guy most likely to end up on the practice squad be overrated? All it means is that the Bills prefer a veteran practice squad QB over a rookie.

Nobody would ever offer that much for Keenum on the final year of his contract. He went for a 7th. The NFL isn't like the movie Draft Day. To put this in perspective, if someone had offered Cleveland a 6th, they wouldn't have sent him to the Bills for a 7th. Same story like last year when some were saying trade Mitch for a #1 if offered-Nobody offered.

For whatever reason, Elway wasn't interested in drafting a QB before the draft even began. It's been reported and verified by Beane that Denver and the Bills had a deal in place to trade pick 5 to the Bills. That trade was agreed on before the draft. The only deal breaker was if Bradley Chubb was available. He was and the deal was called off. While it was never verified by the Bills, the leaked Bills QB board had the trade written on it with the Bills willing to move up to 5 for any of their top 3 rated QBs: 1)Allen 2)Darnold 3) Mayfield. The Bills lucked out and got their top guy at 7 after the Denver trade fell through.

New State Farm commercial with Jake introducing crime insurance. Watson, OJ and Rae Carruth. Watson asks Jake "Why am I here with these 2, I never killed anyone." OJ then looks into the camera, winks, and says "Neither did I."

I hope Whaley didn't blow it by answering the question "What would be your 1st move as our GM?" with "Sign Sammy Watkins"

I remember the day Barkley lit up the Jets in NJ in 2018 when Josh was injured and the next day half the board wanted him to start the rest of the year. He may be a journeyman, but there are worse backups out there & the better backups who were former starters cost a lot more money.

So your answer is the bullying was a farce, the women who accused him of sexual harassment just didn't understand him & all his anger management issues dating back to when he was booted from Nebraska mean nothing? OK. Let's review his college days, which you convieniently didn't mention:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richie_Incognito In the spring of 2003, Incognito was involved in a fight during practice and was suspended indefinitely by head coach Frank Solich. By this time, Solich and his staff were concerned enough about Incognito's behavior to send him to the Menninger Clinic in Topeka, Kansas for anger management treatment.[9] Incognito was reinstated by the start of the season and started 13 games at left tackle. He was rewarded with a first-team All-Big 12 selection by the Associated Press.[7] However, during the Huskers' victory in the 2003 Alamo Bowl, he was accused of spitting on two Michigan State players.[8] In February 2004, Incognito was involved in a fight at a party and was charged with three counts of assault. In June, he was found guilty on one of the misdemeanor assault charges and paid a $500 fine. Incognito was shifted to center during the 2004 preseason camp. He entered the season with high expectations, listed on a number of preseason lists as a top center and named to the watch list for the Rimington Trophy going to the best center in college football.[10] On September 1, however, he was suspended indefinitely for repeated violations of team rules. The final straw for new coach Bill Callahan came when Incognito was once again involved in a fight in the locker room. Within a few weeks, Incognito withdrew from all classes at Nebraska and left Lincoln.[9][11] In late September, he transferred to the University of Oregon, only to be dismissed from the team a week later. Head coach Mike Bellotti said Incognito failed to meet the conditions he had agreed to meet before his arrival in Eugene. Bellotti didn't elaborate, but Incognito had been required to complete an anger-management course and adhere to a strict code of conduct. At the 2005 NFL Combine, Incognito impressed scouts by being "the strongest and most explosive player in attendance". However, during a drill, Incognito stumbled and was carted off the field with a knee injury.[13] The injury was later found to be a minor sprain that would have no long-term effect.[14] Despite his impressive physical tools, ESPN Scouts Inc. noted "his inability to control his emotions both on and off the field is such a significant concern that he'll likely slip to the later rounds of the draft."[14] Years later, then-Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who was the player personnel director of the New England Patriots in 2005, said that he did not even consider taking Incognito then, "and I don't want him now" in Kansas City. Pioli had long been known for drafting players with checkered pasts. At the same time, former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy said that Incognito was on the Colts' "DNDC" ("do not draft because of character") list in 2005. On to the pros, once again BEFORE his Bills 2nd stint (and some before his 1st) 2009. On December 13, during the first half of a 47–7 loss to the Tennessee Titans, Incognito drew two 15-yard penalties for headbutting Titans players. Head coach Steve Spagnuolo benched him for the second half, and the two got into a heated confrontation on the sidelines. It was the second time Incognito had been benched for losing his composure; he had been pulled from the season opener against Seattle for two personal fouls. However, the Titans incident was the last straw; the Rams waived him two days after the game.[21] In 2013, former Rams general manager Billy Devaney told ESPN that Spagnuolo had given Incognito numerous chances to clean up his act, and had put him on notice that the Rams would cut ties with him if he couldn't control his anger.[22] The two personal fouls led to a $50,000 fine from the NFL and a letter from the league office warning him that "future infractions of the types you have committed may lead to increased disciplinary action up to and including suspension."[23] In four years with the Rams from 2006 to 2009, Incognito drew 38 penalties, including seven unnecessary roughness calls, more than any other player during that span. Bullying scandal and other controversies In November 2013, ESPN reported on Incognito's alleged role in harassment of teammate Jonathan Martin.[51] According to Incognito, he had reached out to Martin after he had left the team, and the two had an amicable text exchange, in which Incognito claims Martin said he did not blame him or his teammates personally.[52] Incognito subsequently expressed outrage over the report, going on Twitter to demand that ESPN's Adam Schefter "Stop slandering my name."[53] Schefter and Chris Mortensen reported on ESPN on November 3 that Martin fears "retribution, primarily from Incognito." The article goes on to state that "the matter is absolutely under review and preliminarily identifies Incognito as an alleged offender in multiple incidents of possible harassment and bullying over the past two seasons, with Martin not the only victim." Schefter and Mortensen also cited unnamed sources that one of the significant allegations is an incident during the summer of 2013 when Incognito got Martin to contribute $15,000 to help finance a trip to Las Vegas by a group of Dolphins, even though Martin preferred not to, "fearing the consequences if he did not hand over the money."[54] On November 3, Mike Garafolo reported on Fox Sports 1 that Incognito is alleged to have sent Martin threatening and racially charged messages. He also reported that the team and league—rather than the players' association—has been asked to investigate.[55] That same day, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reported that Incognito "has had to be reprimanded in the past for his actions toward team employees," citing an unnamed source.[56] La Canfora and Schefter subsequently reported statements from an unnamed source that the team and the league are now in possession of highly disturbing texts and voicemails in which Incognito used a racial slur against Martin, and disturbing text and voice exchanges including "a reference to tracking down members of Martin's family and harming them" and even threatening to kill Martin. According to La Canfora, Incognito's alleged harassment of Martin had gotten to the point that Martin actually feared for his safety, and felt that leaving the team was his only option.[57][58] Just hours after the Dolphins' game against the Cincinnati Bengals, the Dolphins suspended Incognito indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team. The Dolphins also asked the NFL to join their own internal investigation of the matter. According to Schefter, the final straw for the Dolphins was a highly graphic voicemail Incognito left in April 2013, in which Incognito called Martin a "half-nig*er piece of s*it," threatened to slap Martin's mother across the face and even uttered a death threat against Martin. Until then, the Dolphins had publicly maintained the charges against Incognito were pure speculation. Schefter said that as late as the afternoon of November 3, the Dolphins didn't even know the voicemail existed. Within hours of hearing the tape, Schefter said, the Dolphins had suspended Incognito.[59] The next day, a Dolphins source told The Miami Herald that Incognito would never play another down for the Dolphins again, and that the team intended to cut ties with him at the earliest opportunity.[60] On November 5, the (Fort Lauderdale) Sun-Sentinel quoted "multiple sources" as saying that Incognito may have taken orders from Dolphins coaches to "toughen up" Martin too far. The Sun-Sentinel reported that the controversial voice mail message that ultimately led to Incognito's suspension was made after Martin missed two days of the team's voluntary workout program. The coaches asked Incognito—by this time, reckoned as the leader of the offensive line—to make a call that would "get him into the fold."[61] On November 7, reports emerged that Miami GM Jeff Ireland reacted to the allegations by suggesting that Martin punch Incognito[62] – however, rather than take things that far, Martin chose to leave the team. Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, Incognito was initially slated to sit out for a maximum of four weeks. At the end of that time, the Dolphins would have had to either release him or find some way to keep him off the field, given earlier statements that he would never appear in a Dolphins uniform again. However, the league and the Dolphins agreed to extend the suspension for another two weeks with pay. On December 16, the league and the Dolphins announced that Incognito would remain suspended for the remainder of the season.[63] On February 3, 2014, the text messages exchanged between Martin and Incognito were leaked. It is thought that "the leak came from Incognito or someone close to him, because the text messages tend to support the notion that Incognito and Martin were friends. Moreover, nothing in the Incognito text messages suggests harassment or bullying of Martin." On February 4, 2014, Incognito's 3-month long suspension ended.[64] Investigator's report On February 14, 2014, lawyer Ted Wells released a report (NFL summary) following an investigation into the matter ordered by the NFL. The investigation concluded that Incognito, and to a lesser extent fellow offensive linemen John Jerry and Mike Pouncey, bullied Martin, yet another (unnamed) Dolphins offensive lineman, and also a Dolphins staff member, an unnamed assistant trainer.[65][66] The report also concluded that Incognito, Jerry, and Pouncey made severe racial slurs towards the assistant trainer, and Incognito and Jerry even taunted him by saying that they had sex with his girlfriend. On December 7, 2012, the anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Incognito, Jerry and Pouncey donned traditional Japanese headbands featuring a rising sun emblem (which the assistant trainer had given them) and jokingly threatened to harm the assistant trainer physically in retaliation for the Pearl Harbor attack. The assistant trainer, who is from Japan, confided in Martin that he was upset about the Pearl Harbor comments, finding them derogatory toward his heritage.[67] Further, the report concluded regarding Martin's "mental health problems, alcohol and drug use and... concerns about poor performance on the field" that "his text messages and other evidence demonstrate that these are real factors, not issues Incognito has manufactured out of whole cloth."[68] The report noted a published newspaper report regarding Martin's difficulties with the position change the Dolphins made with him days before he left the team and alleged harassment. The Miami Herald noted that the Dolphins were concerned about Martin's reaction to the move, and noted that "It was clear Martin isn't thrilled about the move." "You can approach this two different ways," Martin said. "You can go in the tank and be one of those guys who ***** and moans and is a cancer in the locker room, or you can be a guy who goes out there and can be a professional and plays as hard as I can."[69] Allegations of dirty play Incognito has garnered attention over the years for perceived dirty play amongst NFL players, coaches, and fans. He has been alleged to have gouged players' eyes, punched players, and made illegal tackles on a regular basis.[70] In 2009, NFL players voted Incognito as the dirtiest player in the league, according to a Sporting News poll.[71] Response After the bullying scandal and his release from the Dolphins organization, Incognito sought help through therapy when he voluntarily checked himself into an Arizona treatment facility.[72] After months of treatment, Incognito described his experience and growth as "very difficult" because "there's no doubt things were said and things were texted and things were done where I clearly crossed the line...that's part of the learning process I went through, and just growing up and maturing and being aware of your surroundings and who your audience is."[73] After sitting out the 2014 season, Rex Ryan and the Buffalo Bills signed Incognito for the 2015 season with the intent to "build a bully".[74] According to teammate Eric Wood, Incognito was seen as an "ultimate professional" and "quickly became a locker room favorite".[75] Incognito re-elevated his game and helped the Buffalo Bills lead the league in rushing yards and yards-per-carry.[74] Prior to the 2016 season, Incognito sat down with Colin Cowherd for an interview on the radio show The Herd where he talked about his relationship with Jonathan Martin since the bullying scandal stating their relationship ended that day, and that "You learn from it you move on".[76] Involuntary commitment On May 23, 2018, Incognito was placed on an "involuntary psychiatric hold" for his part in an altercation at a Life Time Fitness health club in Boca Raton, Florida. Incognito allegedly threw a tennis ball and a dumbbell at another gym patron.[77] He was reported to be in an "altered, paranoid state," suspecting that he was being spied on.[78] On June 6, 2018, he was back in training, hoping to get back to the NFL.[79] Funeral home incident and arrest On August 20, 2018, Incognito was arrested and taken into custody after an incident at a funeral home where he threatened to shoot the employees while making funeral arrangements for his father. Police seized two Glocks, three rifles, and a suppressor for a handgun in Incognito's truck.[80] Employees told Scottsdale police that Incognito wanted his father's head cut off for research purposes, and that he had walked through the funeral home punching caskets and throwing objects.[81] Incognito was charged with disorderly conduct and making threats.[82] Now on to harassing women, not in Wiki:https://www.vice.com/en/article/qkgq4v/richie-incognito-guard-accused-of-sexual-battery-with-a-golf-club In May 2012, an anonymous woman filed a police report against Richie Incognito for battery after he allegedly "used his golf club to touch her by rubbing it up against her *****, then up her stomach then to her chest" at an event in Aventura, FL. Incognito, who was allegedly drunk, then knocked the woman's sunglasses off her head, rubbed his genitals against her buttocks, and emptied a bottle of water in her face, according to the report. Incognito was not charged, but the Miami Dolphins fined him $50,000 for "conduct deemed detrimental to the organization." in June 2012, "Incognito was accused of making inappropriate remarks to a patron at a Miami restaurant and entering her vehicle without permission." The Dolphins conducted its own investigation of the alleged incident but concluded that the allegations could not be substantiated. However, it was enough for NFL Commissioner Goodell to summons Incognito in July 2012 to discuss his "troubling pattern" of behavior, although no additional disciplinary action was taken.

Rogers killed 3 teens. He was an addict whose addictions eventually killed him. BEFORE Richie came to the Bills the 2nd time, he had served a league suspension for bullying a teammate, had multiple anger management issues going back to his college years, and had been accused of harrassing women at an event while a member of the Dolphins. How soon you forget what a controversial signing we made when Richie came back after the whole bullying stuff in Miami.

We're not that innocent. I remember Reggie Rogers going from prison to Bills camp. Just a few years ago we had Richie Incognito who had quite a bad reputation before he came here. I didn't see fans leaving when Richie was our starting LG. The Bills have given guys a "second chance" on more than one occasion and they still kept the fan base.

I could never switch teams because of one player. OJ is still on the wall of the stadium and Bennett raped a woman. Our team has had some bad guys too over the years. Also to those of us who have attended many games how can you switch teams so easily? I doubt this is coming from dog pound ticket holders. It's a lot easier for people who sit home and have rarely attended a game to jump on and off bandwagons, but I can't see lifelong fans of a team who have been to a bunch of games over the years just dropping their support over one guy who they were there before he came and as long as they are young enough and in good health stand a good chance of being there after he's long gone.

I bet $950 on the Bills to win the AFC in February at 4.25 to 1 so that if the Bills win the AFC I've got most if not all of my Super Bowl ticket paid for. I call it Super Bowl insurance. Insurance is paying for something today at a lower rate than you'll need to pay for it when the time comes. If they lose its similar to an extended warranty and the product never broke down. I tried something similar last season and it didn't work out but I felt it was a good business decision.

Mr Whaley, Didn't you learn anything from the Watkins trade?