Albany,n.y.

If you're going to post BS, at least make it credible. If you had said 4 years 7.5 million with a 1.4 million bonus, we might believe you. Now you sleep with the fishes with Soprano in terms of credibilty. If the story really was on the news, I'd guess my #s are more accurate & the guy read it wrong. I don't know where the 6 came from, but the 4 in 47.5 was the years, the 7.5 in 47.5 was the $ and they lost a decimal between the 1 & 4 in 14.

I haven't seen one football related idea in this thread. Don't you people have ideas rather than ragging on his non-football related personal life? For example: Hey Willis, where else would you rather be than playing the Argos in Toronto. End Zone Crew, an unfamiliar sight to Willis. Willis, if you're unsure, ask McNair what down it is. Willis McGahee: From stiff arm to just "stiff". What do call the Ravens handing off to McGahee on 4th & 1? 1st down, Buffalo Bills. Let's keep this to football & get this thread back on the right track.

The NFL has a meeting to distribute picks in a secret room. When the Bills turn comes, the cigarette smoking guy from the X-Files comes in and says "No compensatory picks for Buffalo", the NFL guys agree, move on to the next team, & smoking man leaves-until next year.

If we trade up for a back, it wont be pick 12 that is used. More likely something similar as what we did with McCargo last year.

He had a setback in his recovery & probably won't play another down with Houston.

Say we had been able to get the same deal a year ago for Nate Clements. Well, we'd have a guy we drafted in the 3rd round, possibly a 7th rounder if he made the team, and an extra 3rd this year. Instead, we got 1 year of Nate Clements & nothing else. In hindsight, I'd prefer those extra choices to what we have now. Now, Marv realized that there's no way the Bills would pay Willis what he wants, and the only way Willis would sign another contract is if we franchised him, and he'd be pisssed & unmotivated. So he got a lot more than just 1 more year of Willis. I wonder if Marv had to do it again, would he have dealt Clements last year? I think the Clements experience made trading Willis for 3 picks, two of them day 1 picks, a no-brainer.

He may be a blowhard, but it should be entertaining, especially talking about Willis.

The goal isn't to make the playoffs-it's to win the Super Bowl. So if we don't yet have all the pieces to win the SB (It took Kelly 5 years to get to the SB, JP is in year 4) then instead of just making the playoffs next year & getting nothing for McGahee, we replace him & possibly do the same without him plus add a player who might be a piece of the Super Bowl puzzle in 2008.

I can sum up the reasons that we're getting rid of McGahee by quoting Ralph Wilson. During the season he called McGahee a disappointment. Any player that the owner considers a disappointment will not be re-signed to a big $ contract. Since he's in the last year of his contract, and they know they're not re-signing him, they're trying to get as much as possible now & moving on.

Marv must have finally gotten around to reading our board & realized Tuten was still on the roster.

I heard Deadwood will be concluding with a couple of 2 hour shows last year. I assume this is still in the works.

She won't get the nomination. She's the Howard Dean of 2008. If she does get nominated, the Republicans could run just about anyone & win. She's has too many people who will never vote for her to ever win a general election. Sooner or later, the Democrats are going to figure this out.

The only reason Ballard was an 11th round pick was because there were questions about his eligibility to play because he was looking for another year of college eligibility (& got it). We waited a year for Ballard, who could have gone back in the draft if he didn't sign by draft day & would have been no worse than a 5th rounder according to the draft experts back then.

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Didn't he sign with Tampa Bay?

I would compare the Moon situation to Rodney Peete coming out of college. Peete slipped to the 6th round in the 1989 draft, probably due to many in the league questioning the abilities of a black QB (ironically only 1 year after Doug Williams won the Super Bowl). However, Peete signed with Detroit, didn't go to Canada, and eventually emerged as the starter on Detroit. Looking back, Doug Williams getting picked in the 1st round was an abberation-no black QB was taken in the 1st round between Williams in 1978 & 1990 when Andre Ware was picked by Detroit. Between those years, few black QBs were selected, the highest being Randall Cunningham in the 2nd round in 1985. The breakthrough year was 1995 when Houston picked Steve McNair in the 1st & Pittsburgh took Kordell Stewart in the 2nd. By 1999, 3 black QBs went in the 1st round (McNabb, A.Smith & Culpepper) and Shaun King went in round two. After 1995, or at the latest, 1999, the race of a QB has become a non issue. The NFL has come a long way since the day the Bills drafted James Harris in the 1969 draft and (from Relentless) "...in the eighth round, they selected James Harris, a black quarterback from Grambling. A Buffalo Evening News headline read 'A 6-4 Negro QB, Harris, drafted 8th by the Bills.' The story said Harris 'is a negro, one of the few of his race to be drafted as a quarterback in pro football.' " Moon could have gone the Rodney Peete route, or even the James Harris route-he did end up a starter for the Rams, and played his entire career in the NFL. He chose not to because he didn't THINK he could overcome the bias against black QBs. He's listed at 6'3" in the pro football registers in the 1980s, which was only an inch shorter than Williams, so obviously he's lying about the height thing. Moon's career is not much different than Vinny Testaverde's and I doubt Testaverde will ever get very far in HOF voting. I wish Doug Williams hadn't jumped to the USFL because maybe he would have been viewed as the true trailblazer & been given the first black QB vote instead of Moon. Personally, I'd much rather see Doug Williams in the HOF than Moon.

How can you lock them up after you've killed them?

The real religious right, social conservatives who won't vote for pro abortion, gay rights etc will not vote for Rudy-they will stay home & not vote at all. Whenever the Republicans move to the left on these issues, their fear is not that these people will vote Democratic, they KNOW these people will not go to the polls when given 2 candidates with social records they don't like.

The team is going to try Walker, Pennington & Butler at RT, once a winner is determined, the other two will battle Preston for the RG spot, with Merz & Whittle also in the RG mix. This is the deepest O-line we've had in a long time. There are currently 8 guys who have started in the NFL, 9 if you count the start Merz had last year.

You never trade a player with no replacement already in sight. Talking about rookies that the Bills 1) know will not be there when they draft or 2) scouts may not consider the best player at a need position at 12 is just insane talk. If the Bills do trade McGahee in the next few weeks, they'll only do so AFTER they have agreed to terms with his replacement. Do you really want to go into the draft with (if he re-signs) A Thomas & S. Williams as the top 2 backs on the roster? If you do, I hope you go down to Miami & become an advisor to the Dolphins so they can never have a wiining season again.

I thought it was Andre when I read your title

They were in the same class-1978. The difference is that Doug Williams didn't flee to Canada before the draft & blame it on racism. Moon signed with Edmonton in March 1978, had he waited until the NFL draft, he probably would have been a mid round selection and he could have earned his way on the roster of the team that drafted him. Williams waited until the May 2, 1978 draft, was taken in the 1st round with pick 17 after Tampa Bay traded the top pick (Earl Campbell) to Houston. He was the top QB taken in that draft and a year later had Tampa in the NFC Championship game. Moon is a wife beating coward & a liar who does not belong in the Hall of Fame.

In the current NFL, you can completely turn a team around in 1-3 years. The players (like Clements to SF) named in those type of posts are signing multi-year contracts. They expect to be pieces of the puzzle that their new team is trying to fill. Just because the team was a loser last season doesn't mean they can't be a contender this year or next. If that was the case, nobody would ever sign with the Bills unless they totally overbid on the "money over winning" guys. Nobody knows for sure what their team will do after they sign-just look at Takeo-he left Cin for the Bills because he thought we were a Super Bowl contender and he has yet to see the playoffs.

Unless the team was hiding a season ending injury, I have no idea why he hasn't been cut yet. They benched him and didn't activate him after the bye- based on those actions and the three free agent signings, he's as good as gone. Why the delay in releasing him-it's just like the Bennie Anderson situation last off-season. Dump him now.

It's pretty obvious watching Marv operate that he will not give big $, long term deals to guys on the wrong side of 30. Every big contract FA he has signed is in his mid 20's. Marv doesn't want big contracts given to guys who may only have a year or 2 left. Since he's been here he's dumped or not re-signed Sam Adams (32), Matt Bowen (30), Mark Campbell (30), London Fletcher-Baker (31), Lawyer Milloy (32), Eric Moulds (32), Jeff Posey (31), Damon Shelton (34), Trey Teague (31), Chris Villarrial (33), and Troy Vincent (35). Once you hit 30, you're on the endangered species list. Holcomb & Takeo are next. Note that the only FA he's signed who is over 30 signed a 1 year deal for small $.