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As is just about every trade this Bill for that guy trade thread. Unless there is talk of one team's interest in another team's player-which doesn't happen due to tampering rules, trades that fans dream up usually are ridiculous. However, if you think this board is bad, listen to WFAN NY sometime and the trade calls are basically something like "Let's trade Kellen Clemens to da Bills faw Lee Evans. Dey need a QB & we need a receiva."

Well, it wasn't quite that simple. The Patriots signed Welker to a ridiculous contract that they never planned on honoring. The Dolphins were stuck between a rock & a hard place-If they matched the contract, they'd be overpaying Welker. If they didn't match, they'd lose him for no compensation since Welker was originally a free agent (actually an undrafted free agent who signed with SD & got cut in preseason then signed with the Dolphins). So the Dolphins felt the only thing to do was negotiate a trade so they'd get something rather than nothing for Welker when he went to the Pats. Since the trade was made, the Dolphins had no more rights to Welker. The patriots, who now owned Welker, tore up the ridiculous contract & signed him to a more reasonable one. It is one of those loopholes within the rules that the Patriots found a way around.

You give results in the minors way too much weight. Gibran Hamdan was MVP of NFL Europe and it didn't prove he was "ready to step in and take over the starting role after a preseason of preparation". You live in a JP fantasy land.

Miami went from 1-15 in 2007 to 11-5 and a division crown in 2008 after a change in management. I will always have hope for next season no matter how bad this season goes. With free agency & bold thinking, with an open checkbook, anything is possible.

Whoever is left in the Bills front office, and whoever comes in will just have to look at last season to realize why Trent has to be let go (trade or waivers) before April. Watching a totally disinterested JP on the sidelines last year, and thinking of what a totally disinterested Trent next year will be like is enough data to get rid of him ASAP. Last year's lesson shows that you don't keep your failed ex-starting QB on the roster just because he has one year left on his contract. Besides, the Bills already have next year's #2 in Fitzpatrick. They're not keeping Edwards around in 2010.

I was one of Trent's biggest boosters his 1st 2 + seasons, but he has played his way off the team in his 3rd season. The real test he has failed-he lost his team. Just listen to the other players the minute Fitzpatrick does anything positive-they praise Fitzpatrick while reading between the lines, they're putting down Edwards. Hate to say it, but it looks like a lot of players on this team just don't think too much of the guy. They're the guys who know him-live with him every day in practice, the locker room & gameday, and they have voted NO. The coaches agree with that assessment. One of the telling signs is Trent's reaction to adversity. The guy doesn't hold himself accountable nor does he seem to have the fire in his belly that leaders, which a QB must be, have. His personality is very much like Rob Johnson's. Just compare the players' reaction when Flutie replaced Johnson to when Fitzpatrick replaced Edwards and it's remarkably similar. A very telling remark was when Edwards said he is a Bills player, not a fan. Just think of Jim Kelly on the sidelines when he was hurt, or today as a retired player-Kelly was & is a fan because he loves football-something you just don't see in Trent Edwards. QBs who don't love football, beyond just about anything else, don't succeed.

The perfect fit is in Oakland. Crazy Mike & Crazy Al together-just throw the ball deep down the field baby!

It really depends on what the coaches are seeing in practice-something we don't have enough information on. If he's not yet grasping the offense, or the guy is showing he's nothing better than a practice squad talent, they really can't throw him in there just to see what they have. Like it or not, the head coach is doing everything he can to field the best team he can, because he is looking at making himself look good to his next employer. If he can field a competitive team he can have that on his resume for the future. He's still thinking he can have a miracle finish and be a head coach here or elsewhere in the future. If he knows that Brohm isn't ready and the team is going to look worse with him in there, and possibly face a veteran revolt, he's not going to send Brohm in. Unfortunately, Perry cannot treat this team like he's in the 1st year of a 5 year contract & look to the future. For Perry Fewell, the future is now & the QB that he feels gives him the best chance of winning is Fitzpatrick.

Anyone seriously thinking of Martz should just take a timeout and think about it... Sorry, you can't, Mike used them all up in the 1st quarter. One of the worst clock managers ever to be an NFL head coach.

How can you have any credibility when you have no clue what you're talking about? Here's what you think you know, but you don't know: Kurt Warner never sat on the bench in Green Bay. Warner was a QB in camp among the greatest group of QBs ever assembled in one camp: Favre, Brunell, T. Detmer and a raw kid from a small school-Warner. Warner got cut pretty early in camp because 1) He was a project who admits that he was totally overwhelmed by his first exposure to the NFL 2) He was an undrafted kid buried on that depth chart. He never was on the Packers regular season roster , so he never sat on the bench in Green Bay. When was Warner "great in L.A."? There are no teams in L.A. The Rams were in St. Louis when Warner played with them. He didn't "suck in N.Y".-the Giants traded for Eli Manning and signed Warner to start until Manning was ready. In the middle of the season, with the Giants 5-4 and still in the playoff hunt, Tom Coughlin decided that he was going to his plan of getting Eli Manning experience in his rookie year and started Manning the rest of the season. The team went 1-6 the rest of the way. Considering they were 5-4 with Warner, he hardly "sucked". Steve Young was a top rated QB coming out of college & Tampa Bay was poorly managed. This is the same team that got nothing for drafting Bo Jackson #1. Instead of hanging onto Young, they got enamored with Vinny Testaverde, chose him #1 & traded Young to the SF 49ers who groomed his as Montana's successor. Tampa didn't cut him and he didn't ever enter the open market.

I hope you realize there were a lot fewer teams in the 1950s and that comparing the NFL of the 50s and the opportunities available to players back then to now is ridiculous. There was a reason the AFL was able to come into existance & thrive. A lot of good football players had nowhere to go on a depth chart. There was no unrestricted free agency in the NFL.

Fewell may not be the answer but your reasons are to use your words, dumb. I'd say the ones I bolded sound like they've been written by a 10 year old, but that would be insulting 10 year olds. For the record: Byrd is injured, the substitution was most likely to relieve a hurting player. There are plenty of DEs worse than Kelsay, some on our team. Langster is an unproven rookie, who is lucky anytime he gets on the field. Poz is not the worst starting LB in the league, once again there are worse on our team. GROW UP!

Don't you realize that it's much easier to play in the minors? JP is the same flawed player as he was here, just the level of competition slowed things down. Fassel is the same lousy coach that got fired by the Giants & his only chance to come back to the NFL is to beg Al Davis for a job nobody in his right mind, or somebody with no other options, would take-and he still might not get it. If somehow Fassel does get the Raiders gig & brings JP to Oakland with him, Davis will soon be pining away for the days of Cable & Russell.

Dick Jauron had the same deal with Detroit. Doesn't just about every coach replace a fired one?

Great coach? Get real! Talk to some Giants fans & then come back here & tell us if you still want Fassel. Very mediocre coach. Got lucky one year when the NFC had nothing & got into the Super Bowl. His record was nothing special: 1997 10-5-1, playoffs 0-1 1998 8-8 1999 7-9 2000 12-4 playoffs 2-0 Super Bowl 0-1 2001 7-9 2002 10-6 playoffs 0-1 2003 4-12 After Giants' firing: Fired as OC of Ravens, went to minor leagues to coach.

It reminded me more of when Kelly Holcomb replaced JP Losman & the team was winning more games. Basically a decent career backup who can start a few games now & then who stepped in when the annointed starter bombed out. Fitzpatrick has a lot more of the right stuff than Edwards has shown, but don't get carried away-We still need to draft a QB.

Ch 6 carries the Jets & Ch 13 carries the Giants-but that is the preseason NY feed. Some of the Jets games get moved to the CW (ch 45). During the regular season it's all based on network assignments. If it's on NFL Network, Time Warner isn't showing it, only the cities of the two teams that are playing get the NFL Network feed on a local channel. It might be the same for Monday Night Football on ESPN. I didn't hear anyone say the Giants game last Thursday was on.

Perry could be the next Jeff Fisher. Fisher was interim once, has been their coach for a long run. If Perry shows he's the guy in the next 5 games, then he gets the job & Ralph spends his millions on the front office & players.

I don't like listening to random locker room interviews, so I switched to WGR during that segment of the 97 Rock postgame show. After a few minutes of them calling the Bills out for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score instead of taking a knee, I had enough & went back to 97 Rock. WGR was at its absolute worst after the game. If the Dolphins didn't want the Bills to score more THEY could have done two things-stop the run or stop completing passes to our guys and run the time out themselves. If Miami was willing to keep playing, and by passing they obviously were, then the Bills had every right to keep playing as well.

If you hadn't stopped watching, you probably wouldn't have written what you did. The offense with Fitzpatrick, who has been the QB the last two weeks, isn't much different than what the Bills would have with JP. He throws the long bombs, hits on a few and misses most, just like JP. Fitzpatrick is a little better than JP because he's smarter, gets rid of the ball quicker, avoiding the Losman-type sacks and fumbles less. Fitzpatrick isn't NFL starting material, but he's better than JP or Trent & will be on next year's team as the 2nd stringer unless Brohm shows he can handle the #2 QB job, then Fitz will join Edwards on a plane out of Buffalo. The last NFL quality starter we had starting was Flutie, and we better be drafting a QB in the 1st round, or trading for one, because we're in big trouble with the current group. Heck, Brohm has never even played in a real NFL game & people are calling for him to start after being plucked off another team's practice squad-that's how low our QB situation has sunk. Someone gave me an Edwards jersey a few weeks ago & now I'd be ashamed to even wear it at the Ralph tomorrow. I'm going back to my XXL tee shirt over my winter coat for Miami.

Time Warner Cable has a message on the front page of Roadrunner that talks about Networks raising the costs of cable. They have two arrows for you to click 1)Roll Over 2)Get Tough. When you hit the Get Tough page, they ask you to send a message. I guess they plan on forwarding these angry messages to the stations they're negotiating with. I decided to turn the tables on them, since they won't give us NFL Network. Anyone else who wants the NFL Network should let them know and respond to their Get Tough invitation. Here is what I wrote: There are tons of stations currently on my cable that I'm paying for that I never watch. Meanwhile you put out things like this, yet refuse to give me the option of watching the one network I want the most, the NFL Network. You have NBA, MLB & NHL-a league that I never watch, but you won't give me my football. Well, you made it through this season with me as a customer, but my patience is wearing thin. I might not be a customer by the next NFL season unless you give me the NFL network. I don't want to hear all your excuses. You're charging me for things I'd never watch, while failing to get me what I do want. It's about time for NFL fans to stop rolling over for Time Warner Cable. Your time to fix this without losing us is running out.

My answer is any Bills player who, barring injury, has been permanently benched and has already played his last game in a Bills uniform. That's Trent Edwards situation now. Fitzpatrick will be the backup next year unless Brohm beats him out, in which case he'll be waived. The starter isn't on the roster. There's no room for Trent Edwards on this team. For past players who were still on the team until the season ended see Melvin Fowler 2008, I stopped supporting him the day he quit on the team and was banned from the lineup. I think we all stopped supporting Rob Johnson before he hit the waiver wire.

I'm not bashing JP, I'm bashing you for moronic statements about him.

How do you rue the day you replaced one failure with another? Just another moronic JP will haunt us post-give it up already!

The game had a justice ending. Florida won the toss & Bollinger cost them the game with an interception deep in his own territory. Between Bollinger's fumble for a TD and pick for the winning FG, and JP's sacks & sailing it over the heads of receivers when he aired it out, neither looked like he belongs in the NFL any time soon. Have you seen these guys play throughout the season? Bollinger looked great in the beginning then came back to earth. JP played like....JP-lots of sacks and balls flying over receivers heads on most of his deep passes, with an occasional home run.