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Joe D says some pretty outrageous stuff. The craziest was in his HOF speech where he lauded one of his former coaches, pointed him out in the crowd & said he was a good coach but... That coach who he loved so much & invited to his HOF day- Hank Bullough. Mr. Modell, Mr. Wilson were kind enough to trade me back to where I came from – Buffalo – for one year. Hank Bullough coached me. I always said that if Hank got Jim Kelly as a quarterback, he would still be coaching maybe. He was a good coach, just had some trouble at quarterback. Well Hank did have Kelly, but didn't know how to use him & got fired. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release....?release_id=991

That's simply not true from most ways to measure QB production. In the 9 games Fitzpatrick played the majority of, the Bills scored (from all sources, O, D, ST) 161 points, an average of almost 18 points a game. High 31, low 10. In the 1 Brohm game, the Bills scored 3 points. The remainder of stats include all of Fitzpatrick's games: Fitzpatrick ave yds per pass attempt 6.3; Brohm 5.0 TD/INT Fitzpatrick 9/10; Brohm 0/2 The stat I hate but a lot of you love: QB Rating Fitzpatrick 69.7; Brohm 43.2 The only measurable Brohm was close with Fitzpatrick (and exceeded him by 2.67%) was completion % Brohm 58.62%; Fitzpatrick 55.95% Of all the measurables, the most important one is how many points the team scores. Fitzpatrick's Bills averaged nearly 6 times the points scored in Brohm's game. Until Brohm can prove he can get his team in the endzone at least once, I'll remain skeptical of his chances.

The real situation is GB waived a former 2nd round pick, and not one other team claimed him. If they cared about losing him, they wouldn't have waived him. You can spin it any way you like, but the bottom line is last September GB could have cared less if they lost Brohm. Any team that waives a guy one year removed from the 2nd round expects him to be claimed & doesn't care. You have NO evidence that GB tried to match the Bills offer hoping to trade Brohm (a guy nobody in September wanted for free) in the offseason. It's much more logical to think they wanted their 3rd string insurance to know their system than it is to dream up some trade scenario about a player nobody else wanted off of waivers.

One of them was Brooks Bollinger-the guy had an MVP season! There's hope for Brohm*** ***- in the UFL

You act like nobody had a file on the guy from his college days. Year after year, when the Bills have picked up players cut by other teams they have said things like "We liked him coming out of college." Pro Personnel depts just don't rely on the film from pre-season, they also look at what their scouts said of guys coming out of college. They combine that with current film, scouting reports etc. When all they see is a compounding of their "weakness" category on the pro film, they pass. If they see some of the strengths, they bite & sign the guy. Rosters are not set at the QB position. Years ago we added Travis Brown right before the season because we thought he had more potential than what we had. Teams do it all the time. You want Brohm & you'll make any excuse to justify your desire. The real reason is because all our QBs suck & the only one who has not been a total disappointment is Brohm. The reason for that is he hasn't played enough YET, to disappoint you. When he does, you'll realize why GB & the rest of the league let the Bills have him. By the way, Brady was drafted in the 6th, but NE never put him on waivers, they kept 4 QBs his rookie year because they refused to gamble by waiving him to stash on their practice squad. If they were sure every team wouldn't have claimed him, I'm sure they would have freed up that roster spot instead of doing the unconventional & carrying 4 QBs. GB didn't care if they lost Brohm-they waived him rather than keep a spot for him on the 53 man roster.

Did I renew too soon? I haven't received one.

While it's remote, it does happen. However, when it has happened in the past, it's been a late round or undrafted guy, not a player who had a college career like Brohm or was drafted in the 2nd round only 1 year before. When you cut a player drafted as high as the 2nd round teams usually put in claims for the guy, unless they view him as beyond redemption. Lower profile players fall through the cracks, not ones with as high a profile as Brohm had. The worst argument that the Brohm supporters use appeared in this thread: The one that claims that rosters are set in September & teams don't want to bring in a new guy who doesn't know their system-absolute rubbish! If a team sees a guy on waivers who they think has starting potential, they snap him up ASAP. It's even more true in September when more of those types are cut than any other time of the year. Just look at all the waiver claims that happen the week between cutdown & opening day. The Jets traded a 7th for Kevin O'Connell & kept him as their 3rd/4th stringer all season. They did it right before opening day. Now the most die hard Brohm appologists will tell you that they just did it to use against NE. If that was true, he would have been waived right after the Jets played NE the 2nd time. Kevin O'Connell is viewed in higher regard than Brian Brohm, having been claimed once off waivers & then traded right before the season started. But the only people in Buffalo who would want Kevin O'Connell starting are fans of the weatherman with the same name.

The only way Trent Edwards or Ryan Fitzpatrick could win a Super Bowl would be the same way Rob Johnson won a Super Bowl-watching it from the bench.

Why settle for Akili Smith? Tim Couch was drafted #1 the same year Smith was picked, so he has more upside.

The Jets did everything possible to get themselves the guy they believed was the franchise QB. 1st in 2008 with the Favre trade, then in 2009 with the trade up for Sanchez. They had a veteran QB (who was a former 1st round pick), reached in the 2nd round & failed with their 2nd round "QB of the future" in 2006, traded for a 38-9 year old QB who lasted 1 season in 2008, then 3 years after reaching for the 2nd round QB, traded pick #17, a 2nd round pick & 3 players to move up 12 spots to pick 5. It is virtually impossible for the Bills to follow the Jets philosophy. The Bills would need an established veteran, fail on a 2nd round QB of the future, trade for a one year fix at QB, spend years acquiring O & D line guys then make a blockbuster trade to draft a guy they feel will be a franchise QB in 2013.

Cocaine can cause heart failure. It's like playing Russian Roulette when you snort it. It killed Len Bias.

So washed up he never has to bathe again.

Tom Brady-2nd year in league, 1st year playing-Super Bowl Champion When did Brady = NOBODY?

and none of them were drafted by the Buffalo Bills. You can site all the success stories like Rodgers-later part of the 1st round, Brees-1st pick of the 2nd round, Favre-early 2nd round or Brady-6th round, but unless your team beats the odds & gets a franchise QB with those picks, it's pretty meaningless. Our last comparable pick to Rodgers was JP Losman, Brees & Favre -Todd Collins, Brady-Luc Tousignant.

Here's the thing with players, it's not all about the money. It really depends on their talent level & expectations when they hit free agency: The lowest talent level free agents try to pick a team whose 53 man roster they can make. The next level looks for a team they can get more playing time with. The next level looks for a team they can start for. Now once their at the level where they can start for anybody, it becomes a combination of location,money and winning. For the absolute elite, they'll get their money-it's about lifestyle & winning. When it comes to lifestyle, there are plenty of players who don't want or need the big city atmosphere or a warm climate. For a small town kid, the last thing he might want is to play in NY. Likewise, some players might not want to play in warm southern cities like Miami, where their homes could get destroyed by a hurricane. Everybody is different. Right now, the Bills cannot compete for most elite players because they haven't won in so long, the player doesn't think he can turn it around by himself. If you build a winner, they will come.

In the 7th round. Yeah I know he's going in the 1st 3 rounds, but he doesn't belong there unless you're confident he can play tight end or fullback in the NFL.

All those players were, or thought they were, going to Buffalo to play for a Super Bowl contender. The problem is until we show that we have a QB who can at least win a playoff game the high profile FAs will continue to go elsewhere. Once we show some ability to field a winning team, they'll start signing with Buffalo again.

Edwards wouldn't have lost the game-just look at what he did in bad weather against Miami the year they were 1-15. The team the Colts fielded the last 3 quarters was the equivalent of that Miami team. The Bills would have even won the game with Gibran Hamdan. Indy was totally in the tank. Just remember Painter was on the other side of the field. Edwards is either going to be the starter or off the team this year. There's no way he can be the 2nd stringer in his final year, just look at how badly it worked out for JP. If the Bills bring in anyone in the draft or FA, Trent is history, but that's only 50-50. Depth chart is either TBD Fitzpatrick, Brohm; Fitzpatrick, Brohm, TBD; Brohm, Fitzpatrick, TBD; or Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Brohm or TBD. Chances are if we draft a mid-late round project, Brohm & him will be battling it out for 3rd string only, with the loser ending up on the practice squad.

Act like an alien & don't speak any English. Nothing sends the guys at the barns scurrying faster than the INS.

I'm sure there will be a 2011 season. It might not be 16 games, but this is not the NHL, where enough teams were losing money that not playing a season saved them $. By November 2011, at the absolute latest, they'll be back.

QUOTE (SouthGeorgiaBillsFan @ Mar 14 2010, 03:59 PM) Because Trent is the better QB. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just in Bills-suck denial and looking for a scapegoat. Fitzpatrick won a single game for us on a single prayer that he threw down the field. He did not make another outstanding pass, and in fact, pretty much every ball he threw looked like a wounded duck. He was the recipient of a few lucky breaks which had nothing to do with QB play that allowed us to steal games we should not have won. Fitzpatrick is probably the worst professional QB I've ever seen play a down in my life. Does he have heart? It appears so. Does he have even a modicum of NFL caliber talent? No. And even a banged-up, concussed TE still post better per game statistics and a higher passer rating. So I'm really not sure why you even bother to ask such an inane and obvious question. You're both talking nonsense. 1st off, there have been a lot of QBs on the Bills worse than Fitzpatrick, including the whole league is just ridiculous. The 1st guy is either talking smack that he can't back up, or has only seen about 2 football games in his life. Now the 2nd one starts the cold weather nonsense & what does he justify it with-a game in the snow against the Colts bench players. Sorry, but it DOES matter when your QB is playing against scrubs. Even JP looked good when dropped to playing against minor league defenses. You want to know what the real problem with starting either Edwards or Fitzpatrick is? It's that these guys aren't bad enough to not win between 5-7 games and cost us any shot of getting a real QB in the draft to replace these bums. The only hope on this roster is Brian Brohm-but not in the way his supporters believe. I really hope Brohm starts every game next year, because of the 3 QBs on the roster, he's the only one bad enough to get us a top 3 pick in next years draft & finally end this QB futility.

There's no way in the world the Bills are using pick 9 on Tebow. I think years of bad decisions have conditioned you to expect the worst, but Nix knows enough about football that he's not putting the team's future in the hands of a guy who has to change his entire game and there's no live competition to test his new game against. Unless the Bills put 11 on 11 in Tebow's workout & make it a multi-hour thing, he's not getting selected by this team. Now if he's still around in the 3rd round, you might toss the dice on him, but at pick 9, guaranteed not to happen.

I watched an interview with the driver last night. He was asked if he tried to get the car in neutral and he said he didn't, because he wanted to keep both hands on the wheel. Sorry-wrong answer! He was able to call 911, and then use the emergency brake, but couldn't free his hand to put the car in neutral-something's not right here. The 1st thing every 911 operator should say is "put the car in neutral". The 1st thing any driver with a stuck gas pedal should do is put the car in neutral, this should be stated over & over again on any news report of a car with a stuck gas pedal so anyone watching who doesn't already know it, should. This driver never tried to put the car in neutral & admitted it in an interview.

Meanwhile, the Bills starting QB will be a Bills PLAYER, not a Bills fan. Only the idiots who listened & agreed with the morons on WGR could have misinterpreted what Edwards said that day. You appear to be one of them.