Albany,n.y.

Edwards 10, Fitzpatrick 8, Brohm 0

So, basically you're selling them for what you paid. You didn't pay $640 for your tickets, unless you're the only one in the stadium not getting a season ticket discount. The Bills website lists your tickets at $560 for the season, if you paid early it was even less than that. I have season tickets, but not in your prime location. I looked up what I paid & it was $388 for the season. That's $48 for each ticket + $4 service fee. My tickets say $55. The price is $400 according to the Bills website, but I sent mine in early & got an additional discount. So, not counting the $4 fee I paid nothing for the exhibition game because I paid $384 for my tickets & the face value of $55 x 7 =$385. You don't even know what you're paying-Get your facts straight before you start calling people names. Also, learn how much you're actually paying before you quote a price, and when you quote a price without a quantity, how are we supposed to know how many tickets you have.

QB (3) Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Brohm RB (6) Jackson, Lynch, Spiller, Bell, Simpson, McIntyre WR (5) Evans, Johnson, Parish, Jackson, D. Nelson TE (3) Stupar, Foschi, Player to be claimed on waiver (Nelson doesn't count on roster until week 5) OL (9) Bell, Levitre, Hangartner, Wood, Green, Meredith, Calloway, Ramsey, Howard DL (7) Stroud, Williams, Edwards, Johnson, Carrington, Troup, Harvey LB (9) Kelsay, Posluszny, Davis, Torbor, Maybin, Ellis, Moats, Mitchell, Coleman DB (8) McGee, Florence, Witner, Wilson, Byrd, McKelvin, Harris, Langster Specialists (3) - Lindell, Moorman, Sanborn Wang-IR "Surprise" cuts - Hardy, Scott, Youboty.

Here's what you stated: Many Dismissed Brohm because he lost his starting job to a 7th round pick, it's obvious the Packers saw something promising in Flynn. My answer was why I have dismissed Brohm. Then I went on to state the excuses Brohm fans use, because if I didn't they'd come back with them, like they always do. Did I ever say that you think Brohm is the savior, like some of the people around here have been telling us all offseason? Maybe you need to STOP drinking.

If you did the math, you would have been able to calculate that if your season tickets cost $560 and the face value is $77 then $77 X 7 (real games) =$539. $560-549=$21. The real price for the preseason game is $21. If you have 2 tickets, you're asking almost double what the team sold them to you for & you're accusing THEM of the rapefest? Most of us who don't want to go just give them away, but you're trying to get almost double the value & you blame the Bills. What a scam!

He wasn't a high profile 2nd round pick. Brohm can't carry or even sniff Warner's jock.

This is like the mid 1980s all over again. We'll be picking guys up on waivers & plugging them into the starting lineup. Pretty sad.

For the final time-how difficult is it for some people to understand that GB preferred to try to keep a guy around as an insurance policy against injury who already knew their system. It's that simple-it was November, nobody coming in would know their offense like Brohm did. What about the question I always ask when someone makes the statement you did-If GB really wanted Brohm, why didn't they try to EXCEED the Bills' deal which was only for last season & this one with no guarantees? The GB counter offer is just more BS from Brohm lovers blinded by his college stats. If you love college stats, go and start a "Bring Timmy Chang to Buffalo" club.

The only QB in any danger of getting cut when they go down to 75 is Levi Brown. Gailey would be crazy to cut Fitzpatrick or Brohm with another exhibition game coming up. What if one of the 3 vets gets a major injury in the last exhibition game? Do the Bills want to let a vet go at 75? Hell no! Your responsibility as head coach is to the team, not some guy who you might need a week later. The Bills will cut down their QBs when they go to 53 & when they do, Fitzpatrick will still be here.

When you sober up, ponder this: Flynn might be better than Brohm, that's not the reason I dismiss Brohm. After viewing all films, scouting his pro(2 pre-seasons) & college career, all the GMs in the NFL did nothing to get Brian Brohm on their 53 man roster last September. Any time a team is about to waive a guy with as a high a profile as Brohm (2008 2nd round QB), they don't just throw him out on the waiver wire, they try to trade him, and get something back, rather than lose him for nothing. Obviously, nobody was willing to give up ANY draft pick for the guy, and then all 31 other GMs let him sail through waivers without claiming him. It's not about Rodgers & Flynn ahead of him. It's aboutthe fact that any team could have had Brian Brohm for nothing other than a roster spot & passed. Now the real Brohm fanatics will continue with the BS about GB's crowded roster or that other teams were too set with guys like Printer,J. Palmer, Ratliff, Hoyer, Ainge, O'Connell, Shockley, Hanie, Daniel, Bomar, Null, and other more high profile losers with more experience, but the bottom line is that the other GMs thought more of keeping the no names I've listed instead of cutting any of these guys in order to get Brian Brohm on their roster. I didn't even list any guys picked in early rounds, like the 4th who could have been cut in favor of Brohm if that team though Brohm was half the player his fans around here think he is. The Jets kept 4 QBs including Erik Ainge & Kevin O'Connell and slept soundly letting Brohm sail by them on waivers. Face it, it wasn't just GB letting him go for nothing, teams around the league saw such a flawed player nobody in the league thought he was worth a simple waiver claim. That's reality. Pretty sobering stuff. Maybe more of the Brohm fans need to stay away from the brewskies when they watch him play & then they could see why all the GMs and their pro/college scouts thought he was trash when GB waived him.

It's a subscription from the NFL (NFL.com). If you didn't buy it, you'll have to rely on one of the pirates on the internet. I don't know if they do HD, since this is my 1st season with a new computer & the old one couldn't get much-it would freeze up at the 3000 bits needed for the best picture & would only get 400-800 bits. I'm sure someone will provide a link to one of the free broadcast sites the day of the game, I just couldn't take the constant shut downs & just bought the legit package for preseason.

I gave my ticket away but I'll still be able to watch it live at home. I'll watch it on the NFL broadcast. Now some may think I was crazy to pay almost $40 to watch the preseason on the internet, but I think it's worth it. I'll have a HD broadcast on my computer.

But, but but... It takes YEARS to figure out that a QB does or doesn't have it. HE JUST NEEDS MORE TIME! Look at the "mistake" that GB made deciding Brian Brohm wasn't good enough. Look at the "mistake" the Bills made not giving JP Losman more time-he's "haunting" us in Seattle as we speak! We must get McCoy, he has to be better than what we have! He hasn't busted in a Bills uniform, has he? Seriously, clubs CAN evaluate a QB early in his career. That's one reason I'm convinced that Brian Brohm is total trash & will never do anything in the NFL. Just because he isn't named Trent or Ryan, Bills fans give him a lot more credit than he deserves. I just re-watched the Bills-Indy game last night & my conclusion is Brohm is a worse version of Trent Edwards. He was throwing short passes & while Edwards was able to hit the long throw to Evans, any time Brohm tries to throw a longer pass, it doesn't get to the receiver. He's totally inaccurate and doesn't have the arm his fans think he has.

I've been retired for a week now & I don't have any plans to move out of the suburbs of Albany. I'm 4-5 hours from Buffalo & less than 3 hours from NY. On opening weekend I'm doing a doubleheader-Bills game on Sunday, going home immediately after the game, then a bus trip to the Meadowlands for the Ravens @ Jets MNF Jets' opening of the new stadium. I like the location being within a day drive of NYC, Boston, Montreal, Buffalo etc, without the headaches of the big cities. If I move anywhere, it would probably be to WNY because I could sell my house & buy a comparable house for 60-70% of what my house is worth here. The decision would be financial, but for now I have enough $ that I don't need to move.

He also had the 1st pick with the Jets & traded down for more picks. So 3 of the 4 teams he went to after establishing himself with the Giants (can't count his Giants stint since he was a rookie head coach with a strong GM making the picks) he went to with the #1 pick. Bill Polian did the same thing in his last 2 jobs having the 1st pick with Carolina (traded down on that one) and going to Indy when Peyton Manning was there at #1.

Using a high pick to draft a QB who would only play in wildcat formations when they already had RBs familiar with quarterbacking the wildcat was pretty dumb.

Now there's an invisible monkey playing TE, unbelievable.

You think we have better coaching. There's no evidence that this is actually true. A lot of those assistants were snapped up pretty quickly after they were left to find other jobs. Perry Fewell was 3-4 as a head coach. You don't even know that Gailey is a better head coach than Fewell was. Owens & Schobel are gone, as is just about every TE who put on a Bills uniform except Stupar. Bad teams tease their fans by losing close games. In 1984 the 2-14 Bills lost 6 of those games by 4 points or less. That means, in spite of being a horrible team, that went 2-14 the next year, they were in or won half their games. The 1985 team lost 6 games by a TD or less. Once again a bad team was in or won half their games. The 4-12 1986 team was within a TD in 7 of their 12 losses, meaning they were in 11 of 16 games & still were big time losers. Half of this year's team is already injured. ESPN doesn't hate the Bills as much as you think. There's a good chance this is, at best, a 3 to 4 win season.

In spite of the Brohm lover's fantasies, Fitzpatrick isn't going anywhere. So I don't think the Bears or any other NFL team was holding its breath waiting for Levi Brown or Brian Brohm. Teams that consider themselves contenders want a proven backup, like Todd Collins, not some rookie or a guy who started one NFL game & was horrible.

It's not that simple to say a guy has no upside therefore you dump him. In spite of the Brohm fans enthusiasm, he's still a project who has proven nothing in the NFL. Fitzpatrick has proven he can win or keep a pretty lousy team in games. Say in two years from now the Bills are a legitimate contender. They're still going to need a competent backup-"upside" be damned! There's a very good chance Brohm is not ready to play adequetly if thrust into the starter's role & that he never will be. Why would any competent coach or GM get rid of the guy who has proven he can step in when the guy who would replace him is still a mystery? The proper thing to do is if the Bills feel Brohm has as much upside as his fans do is to continue to develop him as the 3rd stringer, let him get a year in the system & then give him the opportunity of unseating Fitzpatrick. With the Bills line, and Edward's injury history,chances are #3 will end up playing some anyway. Why put Brohm in early in the season when he might fold, like he did earlier in his career, causing him to get cut in GB & like he did in his 1st start with the Bills? The main problem I have with the Brohm fans is they've continuously overrated him. The ones calling for Fitzpatrick's demise are blinded by their love of Brohm without much of a basis. Just because they don't like the 2 guys ahead of him, doesn't make him any better than he actually is. Obviously Gailey & his staff have spent a lot more time with all 3 QBs than any of us have seen and of the 3, they've decided they see more in Trent Edwards than the other guys. That should tell people something right there. If Brohm was as good as his fans think he is, he'd be #1, because Trent Edwards isn't a very good QB and is light years away from being a Franchise QB. The fact that Brohm is at best, even with Fitzpatrick should tell you all you need to know-he has very limited "upside" and at this point, for the good of the team now & in the future, Brohm should be developed at a much slower rate than his fans want. That translates either to #3 or the practice squad. PS: The franchise QB is not on the roster, putting Brohm or Brown in there won't help. The franchise is coming in next year's draft.

There's a lot more to the story than that. I think the crying story was just hype for the media when he signed with the USFL. Kelly was in the Bills office working out a contract when he got a call from the USFL right in the office. The secretary sent the call through & the guy representing the USFL told him they'd do whatever it took to sign him & he left unsigned by the Bills. Aside from an offer that topped the Bills financially & getting to play in a bigger city, I think one of the main reasons Kelly signed with the USFL was he didn't want to sit behind Joe Ferguson. The Bills plans were to bring Kelly along slowly & have him not play-Kelly wanted to play. People forget that Ferguson was still playing at a high level when Kelly was drafted with the 2nd of the Bills 1st round picks. Ferguson started the 1983 season pretty well (not counting the opening day shutout) and at one point the Bills were 5-2, scoring 28 points or more in 4 of those victories. It wasn't until the 2nd half of the 1983 season and 1984 where the Ferguson decline took place. Kelly would have sat his rookie year & possibly begun the 1984 season 2nd on the depth chart. He wanted no part of that.

That statement tell me a lot. I've always believed that there is no way Fitzpatrick gets cut, because he's the perfect #2 QB. What it says to me is that the 3rd spot, reserved for the unproven developmental guy will go to Brohm. What that means is that in Chan's mind, Brohm has more potential than Levi Brown (not terribly surprising given Brown was a 7th rounder). So you keep Fitzpatrick, the guy you can trust to come in games, and you keep developing Brohm, hoping he can develop & iron out those accuracy problems. If Chan feels Brohm has a better future than Brown, it doesn't matter if Brown gets claimed off waivers, and if he doesn't get claimed, why even bother putting him on the practice squad. Just let him go & continue to use the development time on Brohm.

What's your point? After his rookie year Favre was traded for a 1st round pick and played well enough in his 2nd season to take over the starting job in Green Bay. After his rookie year Brohm was waived, GB couldn't even trade him for a 7th round pick & he played poorly(the exact opposite of Favre's 2nd season) in the one game he was allowed to start. In fact, he played so bad that the coach at the time, Perry Fewell, couldn't wait to get Fitzpatrick back out there for the next game.

If a team claims Brown, there is no side deal-the Bills lose him without any recourse. They may see some potential in Brohm but feel he's not ready to step into the starting role this year. If that's the case he has to be #3, because Trent is odds on to miss games with his injury history. Fitzpatrick can win, Brohm has not won a game yet & a smart head coach doesn't go into the season with that unproven a #2 unless his starter has proven great durability, like a Manning. We're not cutting Fitzpatrick, so Brohm's best shot of sticking is being #3, with or without a 4th stringer.

In past years guys like Matt Moore (UFA), Derek Anderson (6th Rd), and Tyler Thigpen( 7th Rd) were claimed off waivers as rookies. If the Bills think he has any potential and are afraid of losing him, they won't waive him. Teams are always looking for that QB with potential who someone else might be trying to sneak onto a practice squad.