Albany,n.y.

They didn't have to have a specific player. There were 4 top 10 QBs in the draft. Say they didn't like one of them but had high grades on 3 of them. They guaranteed themselves one of the top 3 QBs. As it turned out, they got no worse than their 2nd choice. Considering the fact that they shut the Bills out of the 3rd pick, guaranteeing themselves that the Bills could not get the guy they rated no worse than 3rd and putting the Bills, a division rival, in danger of missing out on a QB, it was a very smart move. Now I'm not a big trade down guy, but a lot of people around here are. Well, according to your logic, you just made the case for me hating trade downs. When you trade up, you have a pretty good idea of who you can get as the Jets did, or if you do it the day of the draft you know exactly who you're trading up for. When you trade down, unless it's only 1 spot down, you NEVER know who will be available at that spot. So, according to your logic, I'm right about trade downs-pretty bad to trade a known for a total unknown player or players.

It wasn't stupid at all. The Jets moving to #3 assured them they could do no worse than Mayfield, Darnold or Allen. If the Giants had taken a QB at 2, or if Elway had been smart enough to take Allen, the Bills would have been screwed, either having to trade up for Rosen, who after 1 season will most likely be traded at a discounted rate, or would have had to settle for Lamar Jackson at pick 22, or even worse Mason Rudolph (assuming they would have picked Edmunds at 12). You can homer it, but the bottom line is the Jets, on March 17th put themselves in position to ace out the Bills before the Bills could even try to get to 3, having just officially completed the move up to 12 when the official NFL year had started on 3/15, just 2 days before the Jets deal with Indy.

The M & M boys return on the right side of the O line.

If the team has to abide by my decision, I'd pick myself,

From that last Courier Express. Three months later I left Buffalo and never lived there again, although I have gone back a lot of times over the years.

For cwater10: The final edition of the Courier Express.

At the time I had these thoughts: 1) Same Old Ralph. Remember, this was only 4 years after the Bills made NFL history by losing the 1st overall pick of the NFL draft to the CFL. So, it wasn't that much of a surprise that one of their 1st rounders signed with the USFL. 2) I thought that one of the reasons Kelly went to the USFL was because he didn't want to sit behind Joe Ferguson for a season or 2, he wanted to play immediately. At the beginning of the 1983 season, Ferguson was entrenched as the starting QB & Kelly was drafted for the future. Nobody thought that Fergy's talents would fall off the face of the earth in the 2nd half of the 1983 season. It was assumed Kelly wouldn't be playing if he joined the Bills. 3) I thought that eventually the USFL would fold & Kelly would end up on the Bills. One game in either 1984 or 1985 I was in my car listening to the Generals/Gamblers game when Kelly went out in the 1st half with a knee injury. The announcers were speculating Kelly would be out for weeks. When he started the 2nd half, I knew how tough he was and couldn't wait for him to end up on the Bills.

How do you steal an idea that was tried at least 2 times before? The USFL can sue too. Maybe they'll get another $3. In other AAF stuff it's snowing in Salt Lake City for tonight's game.

The last time I remember a similar case if Murray is taken at #1 is when Tampa Bay didn't like what they had at QB with Steve Young so they traded Young & drafted Vinny Testaverde with the #1 pick. The one in the HOF isn't the guy they drafted. Worst case scenario: Rosen plays in the Super Bowl as Murray is getting ready for spring training with the Oakland A's after flaming out of the NFL.

I'd rather promote the winner of Billy Buffalo than any of these clowns.

They can get a 1st if a team that rated him highly still likes him. Look at Brett Favre-he was a 2nd round pick who many thought had 1st round talent. After sitting virtually all his rookie season, GB sent the 17th pick of the 1992 draft to Atlanta for him. At the time Favre was not in the Atlanta head coach's plans. So a mid round 1st for Rosen is about right at this stage.

We'll see the day of the draft-It's an opinion of something that hasn't happened yet. It's called a prediction. Fortunately, when you make a prediction about something 2 months away, you get the results if it happened or not in 2 months. Debating a prediction before the event is an exercise in futility. Either it happens or it doesn't. So, on the 1st day of the draft we will see if I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong it won't be the 1st time I predicted something incorrectly, likewise, if I'm right it won't be the 1st time I've been right in a prediction. What I said is very consistent-I think that by #9 3 QBs will be gone & nobody is trading up to #9 to draft the 4th best QB. That's only calling it one way.

We'll see.

I'm guessing 3. If a team is really interested on getting a franchise QB, they're going to be looking to leap over both the Giants & Jacksonville. The only thing that changes that is if Jacksonville signs Foles. I'm going to go out on a limb & say the Giants may even trade down themselves, since I'm predicting one way or another the QB they draft will be Daniel Jones. They'll have to decide if it's worth the risk of trading down or just staying put & drafting him.

I firmly believe that there won't be a QB that any team will want to trade up for at #9, so any discussion of a trade down that includes the team trading up for a QB is pretty much nonsense IMO.

I'm hoping to get in 1 more Raiders game before they move. Last year when I was out there both the 49ers and Raiders were on the road. The good news was it gave me the opportunity to go to a sports bar in Berkeley and watch the Bills beat the Jaguars.

No players or their agents are dumb enough to blindly look at a QB's stats in trying to decide if they want to play with him or not. Actually, only the dumbest of fans blindly look at stats.

AJ Tarpley with a pick 6.

The best use of a comp pick of all time: Pick 199 of the 2000 NFL draft.

Maybe they were all hookers.

I thought of another Bills one year wonder. Terry Miller. Great rookie year, then fell off the face of the earth. By his 3rd season he was relegated to kick returns. Ended up in the USFL, then spent some time in prison around 2000. Pretty bad career for the 5th pick of the NFL draft, picked 1 spot ahead of James Lofton.

Dennis Shaw

When you're talking about other teams on a Bills message board the answer is a definite yes.

Who cares? I'm more interested in Bills wins. I'm predicting 10.

Even with the "emergence" of Peterman as a contender, as an old timer, I still have to give the nod to Gary Marangi, who set records for bad QB play that will never be broken. Here's the comparison, you decide. I remember in his rookie year when there were a bunch of fans thinking Peterman was our future at QB, I warned them, since I was around during the Marangi years & I remembered when fans would chant "We want Marangi" & I started calling him Nathan Marangi. Some of them got pretty mad at the nickname until he started that Chargers game. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MaraGa00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteNa00.htm