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We fired Roman in-season. It's funny how the OC is always the most unpopular guy in Buffalo, yet a few have left & found success elsewhere (and even a Super Bowl ring like Kevin "Killdrive") .

And Eli looked like hot garbage as a rookie & had a poor completion % his 2nd season. I'm not missing the point, I'm not buying your premise. I believe your point is wrong. If you think someone who disagrees with you is missing the point, then I'm missing your wrong point. I added to my post after you quoted me. Josh Rosen was considered pro ready & he's a bust. Every QB when he enters the NFL can be labeled raw. Every QB with a low completion % can be called inaccurate. I really don't care what people, you included, have labeled Josh Allen-I don't agree with your labels.

I don't buy the raw/innacurate assessment so I can't agree with your view. You can call just about every QB coming out of college raw. Eli Manning was very inaccurate his 1st 2 years, hitting fewer than 52% of his passes. So if you want an example of a guy who by your definition who "faced what Allen is up against" I give you Eli Manning, 2x Super Bowl MVP and considered by many a future Hall of Famer. PS: Q: Who was considered the most pro-ready of all the 2018 1st rounders? A: Josh Rosen, a guy who was dumped after 1 season by the team who drafted him and is bolted to the bench in Miami. These raw/NFL ready labels on prospects are nonsense.

Of the guys you mentioned only Mahomes & Jackson have been instant successes. Brady was a game manager his 2nd season after being 4th string as a rookie. Rodgers didn't start a game until his 4th season, spending the 1st 3 seasons in mop up time in a handful of games. Brees was so mediocre after 3 seasons that after his 3rd season, where the Chargers were the worst team in the league, they drafted Eli Manning #1 & packaged him for the QB they envisioned as Brees replacement, Rivers. A lot of QBs need time to develop & aren't thought of as future HOFers after their 2nd seasons. Brees & Rodgers were question marks going into their 4th seasons. Anyone getting on Josh Allen's case after 2 seasons needs to back off and not want to throw away a QB with huge potential, who contrary to your opinion has taken over several games in the 4th quarter. Those games may not have been big enough for you but if you give him time the big games will come.

I had some very similar thoughts as the OP. Every QB misses WRs, gets sacked, throws ints & fumbles. It's just that every time a Bills QB does it people overreact. Jim Kelly didn't get into a Super Bowl until his 7th pro season and 5th NFL season. Years ago teams didn't play QBs for years until they felt they were "ready". 21st century fans want their players to be popped into a microwave and be complete in minutes. Sometimes a QB has to be slow cooked to get the best results. Some fans need to have some patience. Nobody watched the game last night because NBC messed up & televised KC @ Chicago, so they are making GB & Min play the game over.

The future got impeached & removed.

If Carolina trades Newton, unless they draft a QB in the 1st round, they are out of their minds. Since the Newton trade rumors started Kyle Allen has been benched because the league caught up with him & Will Grier threw 3 picks in his 1st start, a 38-6 beatdown in Indianapolis yesterday. A game changer on a rookie contract is worth at least 1 #1. You would give up a 2nd and a 4th, but any NFL GM who did make that offer would quickly get a reputation as a guy who doesn't make serious trade offers.

We learned that "mistake" big time the last time we traded 2 1st round picks for a defensive player-all it did was help us win 4 straight AFC championships. Now maybe if we had our 1988 & 1989 1st rounders instead of Bennett we might have won the Super Bowl once, but I think the trade worked out quite well for the Bills.

What many Bills fans don't know is that when Lou Saban said those words he was coaching the Denver Broncos. Whitey Dovell was an assistant coach on the Broncos staff & was never with the Bills. “They’re killing me, Whitey; they’re killing me!” “Whitey” was assistant coach Whitey Dovell, a football lifer that Saban had brought with him from Maryland. A decade later, after leaving the Broncos, he would return to the team’s staff. Two decades later, he would be one of the central figures in the revival of the arch-rival Kansas City Chiefs as their director of player personnel, for whom he was still working when he died of cancer, aged 65, in 1992. But despite Dovell’s lengthy resume, he went into history as the answer to a football trivia question: “Just who was ‘Whitey’?” Whitey was a man who, like the rest of the coaching staff, couldn’t control a force of nature like Saban. “He just fired guys during the game,” recalled Floyd Little. “He fired the kickoff team at halftime in Houston when we played at old Rice Stadium. He challenged all of our players when we played an exhibition game in Utah. He was a wild man because he was a player for Cleveland and he was very competitive and he wanted to win.” http://history.denverbroncos.com/1969/11/theyre-killing-me-whitey/

I'm watching both Giants & Jets games (one on TV, one on a computer with view of both at the same time) and I must admit Jones looks good today. It looks like the 2 weeks on the sidelines helped him.

Since you live in Giants territory like me, I'm guessing you've seen enough of Daniel Jones to know that Josh Allen at this point in their careers is way ahead of Daniel Jones. If you're not watching the Giants, take a look because one of the main reasons for their poor record is that Daniel Jones turns the ball over too many times at key points of the game. It's understandable, because Jones is a rookie. There's no way anyone who watches games instead of just looking at stat sheets can say that Daniel Jones is ahead of Josh Allen in development. Maybe somewhere down the line Jones will be close to Allen, but right now he's miles behind Josh. The main reason Jones looks good on paper is because he's throwing a lot in catch-up situations and padding the stats. I'll never be a stat guy, I prefer to let my eyes do the evaluation the eyes say Josh Allen is way ahead of Daniel Jones as of 12/22/19.

Corrected.

Who cares if he ever reaches 65%. Eli Manning is in his 16th season and didn't hit over 65% until year 15 while on the downside of his career. If Josh wins 2 Super Bowls & gets Super Bowl MVP and never reaches 65% nobody will give a rat's behind on such a meaningless stat as 65% completion %.

I certainly didn't view him as a real possibility of busting and many other fans were optimistic as well. Here's my proof from the archives: How much longer will we have shady? in The Stadium Wall Archives Posted May 17, 2018 · Report reply If Allen plays like a top 10 pick should play, I see no reason the Bills can't be competing for a championship in 2019 or 2020 at the latest. We're going to have a ton of cap space in 2019 & can fill a lot of holes before the 2019 season. I expect Allen to be playing by November or December at the latest (I'm hoping a lot sooner) this year & show up ready to start from day 1 in 2019.

200 million percent. The $200 million is his next contract.

He's still on the team, just a weekly inactive.

Josh Allen is a QB who needs to be seen to be appreciated. His game doesn't translate well to people who don't watch his games & only see a few highlights and a stat sheet. Those of us who see every down he plays, including his teammates who love the guy, understand how clutch he is. In a way the player at this point in his career that Josh reminds me of most is Eli Manning. Living in Giants territory, I see the Giants more than any team except the Bills. Now their games are entirely different, but I remember back in 2006 when some people around here who never watched Giants games were gleefully saying that JP Losman was a better QB than Eli Manning. I had to explain to them the same thing that we now have to explain to people who don't watch Josh. The guy is super clutch who wins games and has outsiders scratching their heads as to how he can be leading his team into the playoffs. Some QBs have to be seen to be understood. Eli Manning during his early and prime years was like that & so is Josh Allen. Edit: Here's a link to Eli's stats. Notice how low his completion % was early in his career. Also note that in his 2nd-9th seasons he never had a losing record. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm

People who believe that players & coaches should study a stat sheet instead of getting the context right by looking at film. They don't care what a player is doing on the field, if the stat sheet says he's below average, he's a bust.

Any Allen detractors need to read this. I know the non-subscribers can't open the link, but this is the part about Allen in the write-up from The Athletic: https://theathletic.com/1465285/2019/12/17/bills-all-22-review-josh-allen-does-the-little-things-and-cody-ford-has-his-best-game-of-the-season/ 1) Allen flips the script once again It shouldn’t be a surprise by now because of how often Josh Allen does this sort of thing. For the fifth or sixth time in his young career, Allen turned a notable weakness in his game into a non-factor the following week. Allen’s development is ongoing, showing that he isn’t stuck in his ways. He makes changes to be a better asset to his team and to help move the ball down the field more effectively. While the defense deserves a heap of praise for the Bills’ success this season, Allen does too for his nonstop tinkering. The previous week, the Ravens seemed to find a way to turn the clock back on Allen. They made him nervous, he panicked in the pocket more than he has in the last two months and, worse, he hung onto the ball far too long. So, Allen went back to the drawing board. His processing speed, against an aggressive Steelers defense, was better than it’s been all season. He saw things well ahead of the snap, he made quick decisions and he didn’t allow the Steelers’ pass rushers to control the game. Last week against Baltimore, the average time it took Allen to throw, scramble or get sacked was 2.93 in 50 dropbacks — one of his highest single-game averages of the season. In 30 dropbacks against Pittsburgh, Allen cut that down by almost half a second, averaging 2.48 seconds before the throw, scramble or sack. In the Ravens game alone, there were 20 separate plays where Allen held onto the ball for at least three seconds before making a decision or getting sacked. One glance at Allen’s traditional stat line against Pittsburgh might be underwhelming. Reviewing the film and watching Allen’s decisiveness and ball placement revealed a bit more. Allen was confident, he didn’t allow the Steelers to do what they wanted defensively and his execution of the game plan removed the ball-hawking Minkah Fitzpatrick from the game. On some of his more significant pass plays, Allen’s eyes moved Fitzpatrick away from his real target. We all remember the post-Renegade deep ball to John Brown –Fitzpatrick would have been there had Allen not given a long look right at the beginning of the play. Similarly on the Tyler Kroft touchdown, Allen froze safety Terrell Edmunds in place by looking left before going to his real read on the right and firing a dart for the go-ahead score. These, along with the pre-snap modifications and quickened processing time post-snap, are next-level quarterbacking improvements. You see a line of 13 for 25 for 139 yards on the box score, but when you remove drops (3), throwaways (2) and passes tipped at the line of scrimmage (3), Allen’s adjusted completion rate is 76.5 percent. If Allen can be consistent with this style of play, the Bills are onto something with their second-year player.

Are the Patriots losing their 1st pick for videogate so they'll only be 31 1st rounders?

The mock draft has the Bills higher than I see them drafting, so the fit may work out.

Also these 2019 Bills have been very good to gamblers. Many of us bet the Bills game tonight & won. Anyone who bet win total futures and make the playoff futures have already clinched all their bets with 2 games to go. With the team now getting national exposure that will include playoff exposure, the opportunities that were available to bet on this season likely will never come around again. We snuck up on a lot of people, but not the hard core Bills fans who had the faith to take the casinos money. What a great year to finally have legalized sports betting.

With the game on the line, Josh Allen threw a TD pass in the endzone. With the game on the line Duck Hodges threw not 1, but 2 interceptions in the endzone. Josh Allen wins games with the game on the line, PERIOD

Here the simple version: Those of us who bet the Bills to win the game made money. Those who only bet the Bills to cover made money. Also anybody who bet the Bills to make the playoffs clinched winning their bet. I'll be heading to the Casino tomorrow & then to the bank.

When Pittsburgh fumbled later in that possession, I was yelling "Justice" at the TV.