Albany,n.y.

Jets are already losing after taking a 3-0 lead. Now 7-3 Seattle.

Since recent memory is of a losing team, technically the OP's question could be answered yes, but realistically, the answer is a regular season game when the team is 9-3 really isn't a big win. Big wins come in the post-season.

I've always thought of it from another point of view. For the most part, the Bills, under the old management, did the same thing over & over again-they tried to get a QB on the cheap, at times in dollars and at times with draft capital. Let's look at the team history through the years of getting the QB cheap. Basically I believe you do anything you can to get your guy high in the draft, and that's near or at the top of the 1st round. The 1st franchise QB was Jack Kemp-acquired on waivers. This may have set the mindset that you don't have to invest high draft picks to get a QB. His backup & would be successor would have been Lamonica, a late round pick (24th round), if Lamonica hadn't been traded away. The fact that Lamonica was obtained on the cheap further cemented the mindset. Next QB up was Dennis Shaw, who for 1 year they thought they could get a franchise QB with a 2nd round pick. That dream was short lived. Then in 1973 they got their long term answer in Joe Ferguson. Fergy was a middle of the pack QB who was a long term answer & a WOFre, but never the franchise. Fast forward to 1983. The Bills draft Tony Hunter before Jim Kelly. Then instead of doing everything to sign him, they cheap out again & he signs with the USFL. Due to this the Bills missed 3 seasons with Kelly at QB. After QB hell for 3 seasons, Kelly finally signs after the USFL bites the dust and the glory days, not seen since the 1960s return. Now in preparation for the end of Jim Kelly's career, in 1995 they draft QB of the future Todd Collins in the 2nd round. After Collins fails they panic and trade for Rob Johnson with pick #9 + a later round pick after previously signing Doug Flutie on the cheap from the CFL. This move generally doesn't work-trading for a mid/low round pick by another team who showed a little but couldn't supplant the original team's starter. For me, who lived in the NYC metro area on & off, it was deja vu in reverse. I had seen Matt Robinson go from the Jets to Denver in 1980 for a 1st rounder plus. Ironically, I was back in WNY the same time Robinson landed on the Bills. Then the trade for a fading Drew Bledsoe for the next year's #1. We got 3 years of pretty mediocre play for that one. Next up, the draft that could have made the Bills a contender, but once again, not willing to pay the price necessary to get their guy. In 2004 the Bills loved Ben Roethlisberger, they tried to trade up to get him. However, and this is strictly my opinion-they didn't have the guts to offer enough to get a team ahead of them to pull the trigger on a trade. If you feel that strongly about a QB you do whatever is necessary to get him. Tom Donahoe failed & then to compound the problem, traded up for JP later in the 1st round after missing Ben by 2 picks. I believe if they had offered a team at 9 or 10 pick 13 plus the same pick they traded to Dallas, their 2005 1st rounder, they could have gotten the job done, but I think Donahoe choked and maybe he was too afraid of getting roasted because the point total would have looked to have favored the other team. He broke the golden rule of drafting a QB-you do anything to get your guy & you shouldn't care if people think you gave up too much. Then in 2007 they went cheapo again trying to turn a 3rd rounder into the franchise. Obviously Trent Edwards ended up on the scrap heap, another Bills QB drafted & never getting to a 2nd contract. Next up the Ryan Fitzpatrick era, trying to make a former 7th round pick who was available as an unrestricted free agent into a franchise QB. Now Fitz has had a long career, totally outplaying his draft status, but the only way he'll ever win a Super Bowl is by backing up a franchise QB. Everybody loves Fitz, but they're always trying to upgrade when he's your starter. Then after deciding to move on from Fitzpatrick, the Bills tried something unheard of in a quest for a franchise QB. They trade DOWN to select their QB of the future because they know nobody wants to draft him that high. What GM does that? If he's your guy then you draft him ASAP, because you have faith in him and fear someone else will draft him ahead of you. If you know the guy is so poorly though of around the league, then maybe it's time to reexamine your opinion. EJ was so bad that Marrone brought Orton out of retirement so that he wouldn't sink with EJ. As soon as Orton announced he was one & done, Marrone, fearing that he'd be left with only EJ, bailed. Next up, another cheap QB, a former 6th round pick & a backup in his 4 years with the Ravens. The funny thing is that when I heard about the signing, I was pretty confident that he could beat out EJ & Cassell, but once again there was no effort to get a legitimate franchise guy. At least the good news was the Bills didn't draft a QB. 2015 was a draft disaster producing 2 busts with the 1st 2 picks & no current NFL starters. Tyrod was JAG for his 3 years here. In 2017 the Bills had a dilemma. It was pretty well decided before the draft that they were going to fire Doug Whaley & his top scouts. So, do they draft a QB before the next GM, or wait a year. At the time they were on the board, Mahomes & Watson were both available, but the team decided to wait. Ironically a recent story has come out saying the Bills thought they could draft Mahomes with the later 1st they got from KC. It makes you wonder who they thought KC was trading up for. Still shades of going on the cheap, trying to do the same thing they did when they drafted EJ. I guess some of the old mindset set in with the Pegulas as well. Finally 2018 comes along and the Bills build up the draft capital needed to trade up. Unfortunately, they look hopelessly buried at picks 21 & 22. Unless they wanted a guy like Lamar Jackson, who reminded them too much of Tyrod Taylor, they would have to really do some trading to get their guy. Through skill & luck they managed to get their #1 rated QB. Before Beane, I don't know how many prior Bills GMs would have done enough to get Allen, but I think most of them wouldn't have been able to pull it off. Buddy Nix would have ended up with Rosen or Rudolph & we'd be battling the Jets for the #1 pick right now.

OJ is available.

Marv Levy on Jim Kelly: Leadership, was he good in the locker room? Heck no, his locker was a mess! Our equipment managers Hojo and Woody were good in the locker room; Jim led by his actions out on the playing field.

Boettger started at LG, Mongo at RG. Winters was on the bench most of the game except when Mongo got dinged. The TV announcers were wrong when they had Winters starting-he wasn't on the field.

I've seen worse. I remember in 2006 when some were saying JP was better than Eli Manning & I had to reply that they didn't have a clue. Jones, isn't that bad, certainly not the bust that some who don't watch him play have said around here, but he's way behind Josh among NFL QBs. But pretty soon, won't they all be?

I noticed the switch to Boettger on the opening drive & was very happy to see Mongo at RG, Boettger at LG and Winters at left out.

I was sold when I saw the birth announcement on the Fresno Bee's website. 😂

Don't ever let him out of the building...except for road games.

Jets fans take to Twitter to thank Gregg Williams: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jets-fans-thank-gregg-williams-on-twitter-for-his-terrible-blitz-call-after-he-was-fired/ar-BB1bHMFZ?ocid=msedgntp

The game is being televised nationally & should be on all ABC stations tonight.

I'll take the other view: KC is not that good & we're going to the Super Bowl.

We get the Jets this week in Albany. I'm hoping they have a pre-recorded "Fire Gase" chant that they can pipe into the broadcast. If they want to truly replicate what the fans would be cheering for "Fire Gase" is a must. Years ago the Bills played the Jets in the 1989 season finale at the Meadowlands. It was an ice cold day and with more no shows than any other game I've ever been to. We got near mid field club level tickets for about $20 each outside the stadium. It was the Joe Must Go game, Joe Walton's final game as coach of the Jets. The Bills won 37-0. Funny aside. I was wearing a ski mask and saw Ralph Wilson come out of his box to the concourse. I yelled at him "All the way to the Super Bowl, Ralph!" I think I startled him because he looked at me like I was crazy.

He was, here's their draft board:

When you have a young, developing franchise QB, I'd rather provide him with veteran established WRs than take a shot in the draft. Last season we brought in 2 veteran WRs to replace a horrible group. Considering we were drafting in the 20s, it made more sense to get a proven #1 WR than to take a shot in the draft this year. Minnesota got a good deal & may have drafted a #1 in our spot, but Josh needed to be surrounded by veterans, not unproven players. On top of that we still drafted 2 later round WRs and Davis is looking pretty good for a 4th rounder. I can't find any fault in how Beane has constructed the WRs group from what was chicken poop in 2018. Before Beane got here we drafted White and signed one of the best pair of S in the league as FAs, no problem that we were unable to draft another pro bowler to pair with White. the secondary is pretty good. The draft and free agency should be used as compliments of each other & overall Beane & McDermott have overhauled this team from a playoff non contender to a perennial contender. Once again, with a young QB, I'd rather bring in veteran offensive linemen than taking a shot in the draft. We had far too many holes on the O-line to address with draft picks. They get huge credit for managing to maneuver in the 2018 draft through both luck & skill to not only scout the right QB, who they had as their top QB in the draft, but get him at a reasonable price, not giving up their 2nd first rounder of 2018 or their 2019 1st rounder. The Jets paid a lot more to move up from 6 to 3 for Darnold and I'm sure there is not a single GM in the NFL who would trade Josh for Sam. As for the front 7 on D, you can't fill them all, but we still have to see what the young guys will do. Don't be surprised if the vets we brought in shine in the playoffs. Edmunds has been hurt for half this season & is playing healthier & better in this 2nd half of the season.

I've considered the Newsome Ravens to be the best drafting team in the league, especially considering they are usually drafting in the 2nd half of each round. He even scored on STs, drafting a P now in his 15th year with the team in the 6th round & getting the most successful PK in the NFL as an undrafted FA in 2012. I was envious of the Ravens for having Newsome all those years when we were drafting bums way ahead of Baltimore.

McDermott is the only Bills head coach who was a 1st time hire HC that has ever had success in Bills history. All other successful Bills coaches were retreads. I think part of the reason for this was Ralph was always looking to cheap out on coaches. Chuck Knox was a great coach but Ralph drove him away.

And all those veteran coaches have lock HOF QBs or in Reid's case a potential HOFer if he remains healthy.

As soon as Adam Gase is available Pederson is toast. 🤣

Better drafting Barkley who will be back next year than if he had chosen Rosen whose only hope of throwing another pass in the NFL is if the rest of the QBs in Tampa get quarantined.

You missed some of the worsts. I'm old and remember the days of Harvey Johnson (2-23-1), Jim Ringo (3-20), & Hank Bullough (4-17). Honorable mention to John Rauch who went 7-20-1 and quit the team on the 6th day of camp in 1971 over a dispute with Ralph Wilson for his disparaging remarks about former Bills Ron McDole and Paul Maguire. Rex looks like the 2nd coming of Lombardi compared with these clowns.

78 year old Pete Gogolak is alive and kicking and just waiting for an opportunity to set the record as the oldest active player in NFL history.

When I saw the title I thought of a totally different Vikings snow game: I was at the 12/20/75 season finale at Rich Stadium. The Bills lost 35-13 and the fans got pretty unruly in the stands. Spectators started throwing snowballs at the Vikings bench. After the game Bud Grant was livid & blasted Buffalo's fans. Well the next week the Vikings had a home playoff game and someone threw a bottle at the ref's head. For some reason I felt happy that the very next week Grant's own fans proved themselves to be worse than the Bills fans Grant was so angry at.

I once broke a pair of binoculars when I banged them against the wall in the 1st row of the club level endzone seats. Since it was the end of the game, I didn't realize it until the next time I tried to use them.