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There was a big fight during the constitutional convention over Slavery. Lots of abolitionists wanted Slavery outlawed immediately, and obviously the southern states (though there were plenty of slaves in Northern states too, just not to the degree or of the type in the South) refused, and said they would not join the new nation. There are other factors that caused the Civil war besides Slavery. That was the obvious proximate cause and the moral rallying cry, but there were substantial economic reasons as well, including that the North was rapidly industrializing and competing directly with England, while the South was continuing to act more like a resource colony of England pitting the regions against eachother economically. None of this, of course, should be construed as a defense of the Confederacy but the actual story is a little more complicated

Not disagreeing with anything you're saying Doc, except for that well under 10% of people living in the Confederacy States owned slaves. The average white family in the South didn't own slaves, and some (look up Winston County, Alabama) did not secede from the Union at all because they didn't want to go to war to prop up the 1% of that day, and they were right regardless of any retrograde beliefs they may have held otherwise

Fair enough, but it's not a passive action to post something to twitter. Something occurred in his mind to trigger the action. "Oh hey I sure like the cut of this Hitler guy's Jib, I want to make sure everyone knows about this!" I guess the alternative to that is "Hurr durr i don't understand any of this context but imma post it anyways" which I realize as I type that is probably exactly what happened but if we extend him a mulligan for being an idiot than we have to do same for everyone else that says something stupid/hateful/racist as well? That would be the world I would prefer in which to live, but sadly not the one in which I do.

Pretty much! Now we're getting the big crocodile tears and he terribly sorry that someone was offended. I don't believe he's actually repudiated any of it, and if so only under extreme duress. Antisemitism has been on the rise for some time and is quite chic in some quarters. Linda Sarsour who helped organize the big Women's March, is a rabid Antisemite and surrounds herself with the same. to the extent that the Women's March basically asked her to leave because having a pro-holocaust mouthpiece isn't a great look. It's amazing to me that in very recent memory you had race hucksters like Al Sharpton encouraging anti-jewish violence in NYC of all places, and all that's gotten memory holed because now he's some kind of folk hero of the left. It's almost like they think George Orwell wrote 1984 as an instruction guide rather than a warning

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If someone wants to prove that ancient sub-saharan Africans built the pyramids, they better find something other than unhinged college newspaper editorials to prove it.

I'll join this for a moment then promise to drop it but the reason I opened my big mouth in the African Geography class way back when was mostly this reason, and that the professor (a Man of Color) allowed a black student to fly way off the handle claiming there is hard evidence that Black people not only built the Pyramids, but had the power of flight. Not, you know, invented airplanes, no, they could fly like superman around the pyramids and white people stole that from them. The net is that most people will believe anything they hear, all the more so if it's something they want to believe. The professor didn't do anyone any favors by allowing that to go on. For what it's worth in the same class, another student asked where in African they drilled for Palm Oil ps dont send your kids to SUNY Albany

Technical definition has to do with a family of languages, but in the common parlance refers to the ethnic groups that comprise Arabs and Hebrews today. I use the term Hebrews to differentiate them from Ashkanazi jews who have significant northern European DNA, though I'm sure I'll get a WELL ACKSHUALLY from someone here

Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe. Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent. I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table. Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful. Or better yet, don't. Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world

To ask the question is to answer it. It's the soft racism of low expectations to say or assume that Desean Jackson didn't know better, which i think can be seen in his mealy mouthed "I'm sorry that you were offended" apology

Ironic racism is still racism

As long as there are attention whores out there, especially those who specialize in taking offense on behalf of others, no permanent communications medium is safe. That perfectly acceptable opinion that you hold today? Like perhaps that you enjoy a nice Porterhouse? Wait 10 years, that may be evidence that you're a dangerous bigot and need to be cancelled

I have good news for you regarding Hitler's employment status

When Hitler was alive, Jews weren't even considered white in the US. Literally in living memory for some people like my parents.

The Oppression Olympics might be my least favorite aspect of this, the stupidest of all timelines. Glass is a world class idiot

Dont look now, https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/07/ilhan-omar-calls-for-dismantling-americas-economy-and-political-system-to-root-out-oppression-n612588 Just in way of review, a woman who emigrated from a war torn Somalia and worked her way into the US House of Representatives believes the US should be dismantled and rebuilt in a more 'just' way. I agree with you, we're not going to burn the nation down to the waterline, but I will say, there are some very powerful people who have made that their explicit goal

Maybe the question is, were Rosen and Edelman on their high horses about Police brutality, racism, etc? If not, then it's not hypocritical for them to stay silent now On the other hand, if they were peacocking to let the world know just how anti-racist they were and how they're one of the good ones, then yeah, i'd expect for them to also be upset about a moron praising Hitler

Yeah the pendulum is swinging pretty hard into the IngSoc territory now where language is completely fluid and words and phrases redefined at a speed that pretty much guarantees that even the most woke will touch the third rail at some point. This will continue until the adults in the room stop giving power to morons on Twitter I'm talking about culture as a whole, not just the NFL. Also, Kaepernick has had multiple chances to get back in the league but he's not an idiot. He got benched for Blaine Gabbert for Pete's sake, and making way more on his grift solemn role at Nike than he was ever going to make playing QB.

OK who decides if you are hateful? There are obvious situations, like say, lovingly quoting Hitler, then there are less obvious ones. Especially as we continually redefine what is acceptable and what isn't. Like I said in the Fromm thread, anyone in the NFL or popular culture who has said a single work criticizing someone as a racist, i want to see their entire text message and xbox/playstation live transcripts. Every single one. I guarantee you that 100% of them have racist/homophobic/transphobic/ageist remarks. If we're serious about cancel culture, then every single person is going to get cancelled.

Viewed from one perspective? Is there an alternate perspective, where praising Hitler isn't really a horrifyingly ignorant and racist thing to do? The fact that we're having this debate at all is a great case study in how our primary and secondary education systems have utterly failed us. "well you know that hitler, he sure had some good points!" - a tremendous idiot Somehow 'more tolerance' seems to be resulting in less tolerance. It's almost like people skipped the lessons of the French Revolution in 9th grade. Actually, it's worse than that, the lessons of the French Revolution (and China's Cultural Revolution/Great Leap Forward) aren't even being taught any more. When i was in 9th grade in 1984, we spent a full 2 weeks in US History class on the French Revolution. My son took it last year in a good USNY school district, and they spent 2 days on it. For those of you with more recent graduation dates, the main lesson of those two historical atrocities is that Vanguard of every revolution ends up getting the guillotine by the very people who agitated them into action in the first place.

One of these things is not like the other. Brees disapproving of kneeling for the anthem is not the same as lovingly quoting Hitler, even if you're too ignorant to know that wasn't an actual Hitler quote. I'm sure it's already been said, but imagine the outrage if Fromm, or better yet, Brees, favorably quoted Stonewall Jackson, or George Wallace, they would have to add another order of magnitude to the outrage meter, and they would both be cut before the end of the day

Unless i'm losing my mind (possible!) then the real issue of the faithless electors was worry around them voting for Hillary in states that Trump carried, not the other way around?

I've known more conservative Christian women with bolt ons than the sort you might mentally associate with that

I'm thinking, and bear with me because this idea is going to sound just crazy, that people are looking for something to be angry about, and will shoehorn anything they can into a moralistic outrage. It's like i've told my kids, if you're looking for a reason to be angry, anything will do. Fromm will have to learn from this, starting with never trusting anybody again and making sure to stay on the right side of the thought police at all times. That's how we end up with boring as all hell athletes because before the gotcha society they used to actually tell us what they thought in interviews. Like I said earlier in the thread, every single NFL player who made some negative comment about Fromm, especially Lawson and Tre, I want to see their xbox live audio transcripts. I'm going to go on and bet real American dollars that there's all manor of homophobia and misogyny in there. Hypocrites that live by the sword will meet their just end eventually when whatever it is that they don't think is a big deal becomes a hate crime. And there's a lot of people who consider homophobia & misogyny to be every bit as bad as racism, even if people aren't rioting in the streets about it. related to silencers, here's a quick explainer: https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/11/gun-silencers-dont-make-them-anywhere-near-silent/

I'll say this. I've looked into getting a silencer because although i live in the middle of nowhere, and I have literally hundreds of acres behind me with a very safe 300' hill to shoot into, i know the sound can be heard by my neighbors. Nobody has ever complained, and in fact I've had them over to shoot. Even with that, i'd still rather they didn't have to hear it at all. Alas, living here in the Idiot Kingdom of Prince Andrew's New York, it's 100% a non-starter. For the states where the 2A still applies, there's a mile long list you have to go through, and spend a fair amount of money, and wade your way through the Federal BATF. It's a huge PITA. I think a big reason for that is that non-gun people tend to think of silencers like they are portrayed in Hollywood where you can shoot high caliber pistols and hear nothing more than a whisper. What they actually do is reduce the noise level by ~25 decibels. It's really not that much, maybe 20-30% of the total volume depending on a few variables, but does take the sharp edge off the report, to where a couple thousand feet away it'll be a soft snap instead of a hard crack The reason I say all this is because although you don't have to be an 'elite' person, white or otherwise, you certainly have to have the time, money, patience, and societal wherewithal to grind through the process. I can accept the substitution of the word 'elite' for all that because most 20 year olds don't have any of those things in sufficient quantity to actually follow through on this sort of thing. Should have have said 'elite white'? no, in retrospect I'm sure he would agree it was a poor choice of words. Is it an accurate assessment of who can actually procure silencers today? Yes, pretty much, if only somewhat exaggerated. I'd say that's the larger problem than some dumb 20 year old sharing his thoughts with some young woman looking for her 15 minutes of fame. Mr Fromm is going to have to grow up real fast and learn not to trust anyone around him. I hope that anyone else around this young woman realizes that she will absolutely betray their trust if she thinks she can gain some slight advantage to herself. As far as personal failings, I'd put that much higher than what Fromm said, but society isn't convulsing over personal morality right now, but rather over performative absolution for sins of others rather than keeping our own houses in order. Anyway, off my soapbox now, try the veal and so on

Offense is the coin of the realm today. You need to get more offended, or be left behind