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Nobody tell Kaep, but North Africans in general, and Egyptians in particular, are not Black, but rather more similar in genetic makeup to near easterners, Anatolians, and early people of SE Europe. Desean Jackson would be horrified to learn that the slaves that built the Pyramids were Hebrews of Semitic descent. I got shouted down in an African Geography class (SUNY Albany, 1990!) for bringing this inconvenient information to the table. Fun fact, tell a modern Egyptian that they are black and you're going to get an earful. Or better yet, don't. Liberal American sensibilities aren't shared by most of the rest of the world

To ask the question is to answer it. It's the soft racism of low expectations to say or assume that Desean Jackson didn't know better, which i think can be seen in his mealy mouthed "I'm sorry that you were offended" apology

Ironic racism is still racism

As long as there are attention whores out there, especially those who specialize in taking offense on behalf of others, no permanent communications medium is safe. That perfectly acceptable opinion that you hold today? Like perhaps that you enjoy a nice Porterhouse? Wait 10 years, that may be evidence that you're a dangerous bigot and need to be cancelled

I have good news for you regarding Hitler's employment status

When Hitler was alive, Jews weren't even considered white in the US. Literally in living memory for some people like my parents.

The Oppression Olympics might be my least favorite aspect of this, the stupidest of all timelines. Glass is a world class idiot

Dont look now, https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/07/ilhan-omar-calls-for-dismantling-americas-economy-and-political-system-to-root-out-oppression-n612588 Just in way of review, a woman who emigrated from a war torn Somalia and worked her way into the US House of Representatives believes the US should be dismantled and rebuilt in a more 'just' way. I agree with you, we're not going to burn the nation down to the waterline, but I will say, there are some very powerful people who have made that their explicit goal

Maybe the question is, were Rosen and Edelman on their high horses about Police brutality, racism, etc? If not, then it's not hypocritical for them to stay silent now On the other hand, if they were peacocking to let the world know just how anti-racist they were and how they're one of the good ones, then yeah, i'd expect for them to also be upset about a moron praising Hitler

Yeah the pendulum is swinging pretty hard into the IngSoc territory now where language is completely fluid and words and phrases redefined at a speed that pretty much guarantees that even the most woke will touch the third rail at some point. This will continue until the adults in the room stop giving power to morons on Twitter I'm talking about culture as a whole, not just the NFL. Also, Kaepernick has had multiple chances to get back in the league but he's not an idiot. He got benched for Blaine Gabbert for Pete's sake, and making way more on his grift solemn role at Nike than he was ever going to make playing QB.

OK who decides if you are hateful? There are obvious situations, like say, lovingly quoting Hitler, then there are less obvious ones. Especially as we continually redefine what is acceptable and what isn't. Like I said in the Fromm thread, anyone in the NFL or popular culture who has said a single work criticizing someone as a racist, i want to see their entire text message and xbox/playstation live transcripts. Every single one. I guarantee you that 100% of them have racist/homophobic/transphobic/ageist remarks. If we're serious about cancel culture, then every single person is going to get cancelled.

Viewed from one perspective? Is there an alternate perspective, where praising Hitler isn't really a horrifyingly ignorant and racist thing to do? The fact that we're having this debate at all is a great case study in how our primary and secondary education systems have utterly failed us. "well you know that hitler, he sure had some good points!" - a tremendous idiot Somehow 'more tolerance' seems to be resulting in less tolerance. It's almost like people skipped the lessons of the French Revolution in 9th grade. Actually, it's worse than that, the lessons of the French Revolution (and China's Cultural Revolution/Great Leap Forward) aren't even being taught any more. When i was in 9th grade in 1984, we spent a full 2 weeks in US History class on the French Revolution. My son took it last year in a good USNY school district, and they spent 2 days on it. For those of you with more recent graduation dates, the main lesson of those two historical atrocities is that Vanguard of every revolution ends up getting the guillotine by the very people who agitated them into action in the first place.

One of these things is not like the other. Brees disapproving of kneeling for the anthem is not the same as lovingly quoting Hitler, even if you're too ignorant to know that wasn't an actual Hitler quote. I'm sure it's already been said, but imagine the outrage if Fromm, or better yet, Brees, favorably quoted Stonewall Jackson, or George Wallace, they would have to add another order of magnitude to the outrage meter, and they would both be cut before the end of the day

Unless i'm losing my mind (possible!) then the real issue of the faithless electors was worry around them voting for Hillary in states that Trump carried, not the other way around?

I've known more conservative Christian women with bolt ons than the sort you might mentally associate with that

I'm thinking, and bear with me because this idea is going to sound just crazy, that people are looking for something to be angry about, and will shoehorn anything they can into a moralistic outrage. It's like i've told my kids, if you're looking for a reason to be angry, anything will do. Fromm will have to learn from this, starting with never trusting anybody again and making sure to stay on the right side of the thought police at all times. That's how we end up with boring as all hell athletes because before the gotcha society they used to actually tell us what they thought in interviews. Like I said earlier in the thread, every single NFL player who made some negative comment about Fromm, especially Lawson and Tre, I want to see their xbox live audio transcripts. I'm going to go on and bet real American dollars that there's all manor of homophobia and misogyny in there. Hypocrites that live by the sword will meet their just end eventually when whatever it is that they don't think is a big deal becomes a hate crime. And there's a lot of people who consider homophobia & misogyny to be every bit as bad as racism, even if people aren't rioting in the streets about it. related to silencers, here's a quick explainer: https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/11/gun-silencers-dont-make-them-anywhere-near-silent/

I'll say this. I've looked into getting a silencer because although i live in the middle of nowhere, and I have literally hundreds of acres behind me with a very safe 300' hill to shoot into, i know the sound can be heard by my neighbors. Nobody has ever complained, and in fact I've had them over to shoot. Even with that, i'd still rather they didn't have to hear it at all. Alas, living here in the Idiot Kingdom of Prince Andrew's New York, it's 100% a non-starter. For the states where the 2A still applies, there's a mile long list you have to go through, and spend a fair amount of money, and wade your way through the Federal BATF. It's a huge PITA. I think a big reason for that is that non-gun people tend to think of silencers like they are portrayed in Hollywood where you can shoot high caliber pistols and hear nothing more than a whisper. What they actually do is reduce the noise level by ~25 decibels. It's really not that much, maybe 20-30% of the total volume depending on a few variables, but does take the sharp edge off the report, to where a couple thousand feet away it'll be a soft snap instead of a hard crack The reason I say all this is because although you don't have to be an 'elite' person, white or otherwise, you certainly have to have the time, money, patience, and societal wherewithal to grind through the process. I can accept the substitution of the word 'elite' for all that because most 20 year olds don't have any of those things in sufficient quantity to actually follow through on this sort of thing. Should have have said 'elite white'? no, in retrospect I'm sure he would agree it was a poor choice of words. Is it an accurate assessment of who can actually procure silencers today? Yes, pretty much, if only somewhat exaggerated. I'd say that's the larger problem than some dumb 20 year old sharing his thoughts with some young woman looking for her 15 minutes of fame. Mr Fromm is going to have to grow up real fast and learn not to trust anyone around him. I hope that anyone else around this young woman realizes that she will absolutely betray their trust if she thinks she can gain some slight advantage to herself. As far as personal failings, I'd put that much higher than what Fromm said, but society isn't convulsing over personal morality right now, but rather over performative absolution for sins of others rather than keeping our own houses in order. Anyway, off my soapbox now, try the veal and so on

Offense is the coin of the realm today. You need to get more offended, or be left behind

OK what if we have an xbox live recording of Tre calling someone a homophobic slur? can we cancel him then?

That's rich coming from an aspiring member of the twitter lynch mob

So you're fine with misogyny but not racism? What about transphobia? I'd be willing to bet there's a whole buncha skeletons in a whole buncha NFL closets. Time to sweep clean!

I expect the Bills did some due dilligence, which for obvious reasons wouldn't include the contents of private text conversations. If there's record of other 'racist' conversations, i'm sure our brave twitter warriors will come up with it. Then everyone can celebrate ruining a man's career because of this horrible crime

yeah log into a public game and all you'll hear is the N word. I think they've changed some of that recently, but i stopped for the same reason, that and I'm terrible at it If it's a pattern of behavior where's the rest of the instances of that happening? I mean besides the obvious fake from England. If this guy is some kind of Boss Hogg style racist there should be plenty of evidence of such, and not just a single screengrab from a private conversation.

This is a great point. I want the audio logs from xbox live and the playstation network for every single NFL player. If there's any racism or misogyny, transphobia, or any other kind of bigotry, they must immediately be cut from the NFL, and banished from society

I don't even care about him as a player at this point, just tired of the pitchfork crowd coming out at every provocation. I've told my kids (16+20) to stay the f off social media because what's acceptable today will be a hate crime tomorrow and as a society we've lost the ability to consider context or the gravity of a situation but instead focus like a laser on being able to 'gotcha' people. It's like the virtual French Revolution. Of course the average twitter user doesn't know anything about history so they don't know what happened to the initiators of that particular event, or for that matter the vanguard of every revolution.