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That sounds like torture to me. Odd, I would have thought you against that in ANY case. Well maybe not rednecks, those southerners are subhuman after all. Of course this did happen on the west coast, so surely there must be some excuse.

I loved the acting, they did a great job with the characters and the replacement actors. I am not so fond of the script although it hit all the big movie criteria. B+ to A- range IMO. Well done and whoever cast the actors/actresses (Love Uhura) did a fantastic job. Edit - The next movie should be a remake of Mirror, Mirror.

So 3 complete and utter scumbags being waterboarded is a big deal to you? Got it. I can assure you Obama will probably do the same (only with allies to do the torturing) if similar people fall into his grasp. Will you denounce that too? Oh and btw, your comprehension on gun control (as with most things) is extremely simplistic. Why don't you stick to what you are bad at, like trying to determine who killed the latest white girl?

Well, not all are evidently slave girls.

LOL well at least you proved you can steal material from someone other than Rush.

Ok, in all seriousness (discussing sci-fi movies with massive revisions) how do you not see Vader as Palpatine's slave considering the, "My Master" bit. Unless of course you want to argue he was planning to bump the Emperor off. I can see that take, but there is enough give in his character, since he went light/dark/light that I can argue the opposite.

Do you guys follow this stuff at all? I mean Vader got punked repeatedly in the movies. What is his claim to fame? Was it getting sliced into half a man in the 3rd movie? Perhaps it was how he managed to be distracted by old Obi-Wan long enough for the rebels to escape in the 4th movie. Perhaps it was getting dusted by his own wingman in the same film. Nice "situational awareness" for a Dark Lord of the Sith. Then he gets beat by a half trained Jedi in the 6th film. Oh, but he turns good at the end, so he loses out on the whole evil aspect there. Let's not even get into how he was Emperor Palpatine's B word, much less "whiny Anakin". Oh and to totally geek out (too late), how in the hell could a battle station the size of a moon with a planetary laser (hint: it moves at the speed of light), destroy any ship capable of moving and fighting at warp (FTL) speed? :D

Still just 3 scumbags huh?

I like T'Pol after her boobs evened out from her enhancement right before the show started (not positive about that, but it sure looked that way). 7 of 9 of course was a favorite, I remember my ex-wife getting furious when she found out the actress was actually a decent singer, "She can sing too?". The shapechanger from Star Trek VI could be cool if you could convince it to emulate Dib's avatars...

"Wait, wait, let me get to my graphic." Loose quote, but she got punked. Should 3 people be water boarded that had tons of info? Sorry, you lost me unless you can provide proof there was more than 3 people involved. I was under the impression we used this a lot of the time on waaay more than 3 people.

If that competition had happened, that would have been the result. I almost felt sorry for Skoobie for a while, seemed he wanted to be a decent poster. I do not recommend banning him. I simply advocate putting him on your ignore list. I didn't even do that to VA. CYA Skoob.

Liz kicked ass compared to the bimbo. Were there really only 3 people waterboarded?

Just joking around. I am actually enjoying the thread, what little I can follow.

The fact that all four of you (3 of you apparently in the business) could waste your day arguing over this, instead of working, speaks volumes about what apparently happened to all the money.

I think it is so cool we have two celebrities posting on this board. Tim Graham is cool, but he doesn't hold a candle to Rush posting.

And if Bush had done it you would be here screaming about how he killed black youths due to his racist nature. For the record, I would approve of any president making that order...assuming one did in this case anyways.

Ugghh. I realize you are being sarcastic, but that thought...

And they rolled over Which made me think of this:

Well if they advocated pulling out their toenails or shoving bamboo shoots up their nails I could see your point. If they advocated using it on suspects, again I see your point.

I am not sure I would go that far. The majority of the article, I freely grant. There were some relevant facts though. I think the article could have had significance if they left out the names of the people involved.

I disagree (from what we know so far) as it seems they were really just peons. Should the media investigate it? Yes. Should they out two guys for doing the job they were paid for? Probably not. Find me a tape of Cheney cackling madly as he orders them dunked and we can talk.

I actually find the story useless. The guys who designed the program are probably blameless. Someone told them what to do and what limits they had. At the least they approved the ideas, and that person may have some explaining to do. Still my question stands, if you cannot answer it, perhaps some other can. Should such tactics be used on people we only suspect of terrorist activities? Do you support such tactics? How does us suspending such tactics as far as the public is concerned (there is probably a hush hush, dont ask don't tell policy for people we KNOW are involved-if not then this is probably a colossal screw up) hurt National Defense? Anyone?

Completely true. Seems to be a recent trend, we can go all the way back to Dan Quayle at the very least. Bush the Sr was the sole exception IMO (I don't remember much about Mondale). Before Mondale they were sort of a figurehead in modern times. At least from my recollection, I am sure someone will quickly correct me.

Talk about throwing guys under a bus. Question please as I really do not see much of a problem with this, especially as used on guys we really know were involved. I have not a single issue with waterboarding someone like Abu Zubaydah that we have no doubt is involved. However, do you feel it is appropriate to use such tactics on ones we just suspect? No real proof whatsoever mind you, just a suspicion? Also, how does us not using such tactics hurt the national defense? I hear this complaint thrown around quite a bit. I mean, how many of these high level al-Qaida guys have we caught recently? Thank you for any response.

Cute, this seems the appropriate thread for this. I sent a friend a message, laughing at the Egyptians for killing off all their pigs. His reply, "Yeah, they killed 9 of the 10 but one escaped to Israel. They (Egyptians) are unsure of what to do next."