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I wouldn't be suprised if we see some movement this year. With the change in FA goals and Buddy saying we are close to the playoffs this year, we may see a change in draft strategy as well. That said, if Cinci feels the need to come up to 10 to get Richardson it would be a great situation. If we can get the 17 and 21 from them and maybe give up our third it would be nice. That would allow us to get a lb and wr of prety good caliber and find a cb or ot in the second. I realize the draft value chart works out to be more of a 2nd from us, but I don't think it has been updated for the new rookie salaries and that make the top picks more valuable.

So Sapp's a snitch too, right?

Considering they were using Johnson as an olb, I have to think they like him enough to keep him around. I also see one of heard or troup possibly making it but not both. I'm going to say neither one moves well enough to play dt in a 4-3. Maybe Edwards will have a say in whether he will stick around (may not want to play in the 4-3), but I think the best caliber/most accomplished players would be: DT Dareus, Williams, Edwards, Johnson DE Mark Anderson, Chris Kelsay, Shawne Merriman, Mario Williams, Alex Carrington The only one I think might have troubles is Carrington. He needs to step it up to stay, or I guess if Merriman goes down he'll be safe. I think Kelsay stays because we need another end to set the edge in the run game, but if Anderson can do it Kelsay could be gone. Sure they love him, but one of the main reasons is his locker room presence. We have other guys that can take the locker room thing over, so if one of the younger guys and/or a draft pick impresses he could get bumped. I don't think any moves will be based on the salary cap. I hope we're at the point now where we'll keep the players that are the most talented regardless of cap number or draft position for that matter. That's the way you compete through injuries in order to get to the playoffs.

You can still get off the ball and read and react. He just looked like he wasn't paying much attention, and it wasn't just the first few snaps. I didn't realize those were 2010 clips, although it should have clicked when I saw Newton in there. I think getting off the ball is more mental than anything else, I used to know track guys that would drop smaller and smaller objects on the ground in order to tune their bodies and senses to get going as quickly as possible. I'm not saying he's slow, once he gets going he's a load. If we pick him I hope he can diagnose and move a little quicker, because he won't he as much time at the nfl level. I will say that he looks better in 2011, and he made a lot of nice plays in the auburn game. I still say he looks better as a dt than on the outside.

Looks slow getting off the snap to me. Also looks like he did a lot of good from the dt spot. Once he gets going he really delivers a shot though.

Seems like he will be able to set the edge, a complaint I heard a lot from OBD during the season, especially after Merriman went out. I hope we can find an olb that can cover te's later in the draft.

I remember reading somewhere (bb.com?) that the order won't be determined until after the super bowl.

Chan hasn't had many draft picks to work with, and they may decide to try and see what improvement Wanny can bring without going all d in this draft. So don't get all in a bunch if they decide to go offense in the first couple rounds, especially if a big (for his position) fast guy on defense isn't there.

Just remember these are goals - they also had the goal to win the super bowl this year.

My issue with what you said remains your misrepresentation of the information you're trying to use to prove a point and you didn't clarify when questioned. As far as I'm concerned the only issue I have with Peters is he wasn't professional enough to stay in great shape when he came back. Look at what Walter jones had to do. What peters did was to play the game by the rules, he didn't quit on his team any more than the bills front office quit on him. I think what Stevie has done to the team is worse than what Peters did. I think the team understood that he was making josh reed money and he needed to do what he did. As far as the current oline goes and if they're doing things like the steelers, you will not have the same oline next year because they have not even spoken to bell. That tells me he is not coming back and that oline was not the same without him. The irritating thing about the whole situation is if the bills had been able to recognize the talent, if they had paid him when he asked we would have our LT now and for less than what he is making in philly. But we failed, and I really think it is mainly due to the turnover at obd. I wish fans could realize when you change the front office they will bring in their guys and not value the guys who are already here. Take Jasper for example. Buddy seems to like him, but if takes him 3 years to get on the field and in that time the majority of folks are gone from the front office I think they would be more likely to under value him. Especially if there is no quality football people there at the time, like what happened to Peters. I remember hearing ralph "learned" he needs to have football people in the front office. I thought it was unfortunate it took so much time for him to learn that. I guess it's the jock sniffers vs the depends sniffers around here, huh? I happen to think ralph wants to win more than most of us think, but I also think he won't take chances with his money especially at this point in his life. Hopefully ralph will stick to his word and give Nix the required time to put some real talent on the field through the draft before just flushing him.

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If they sign him, I think the injuries will affect the guaranteed money. I hope they can sign him to decent money but I think if they do it puts them in a bind because you have pears and hairston who are better suited for rt and that leaves you very little room to groom another lt, which is important because bell has been injury prone. So you look at trying to develop another late round/udfa prospect which takes time and if you flush the coaching staff in that timespan they may not be committed to the developmental player and let them walk. I think it's been a factor with bell and peters. In the end I think they let him walk and draft another in the 3-4-5 rounds this year for development while riding it out with Hairston and a full offseason of his development.

You have it correct Gary. The NFL doesn't "rank" anything - they collect the data and present it. So in short that link shows the Bills have given up the lowest number of sacks this year. It is foolish to rank anything based soley on the numbers anyway, considering it is a team game and each of the three phases influence each other. I can only think that PTR is ignorant to that or flat out lying. You would have to go to a site like pro football focus to find rankings that go beyond the actual numbers.

I'm trying hard not to read into this, but I am finding it difficult not to. It's just a matter of money, right???

He's going to need a lot of technique work, I'm guessing he didn't need much where he was playing in college.

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I'd say fishing for some possible depth for next year.

Talk about this when we have a defense that can get off the field on third down or even forces third downs regularly . For the balance of the season we have played from behind. If you want to take issue with Chan, I think the biggest issue this year has been our slow starts. We need to come in with a better script to put the pressure on the other team. I also don't think it is a coincidence that we have been playing better over the last few weeks as our young players get some game time. That is largely ignored here but I think it's directly related to the coaches and the job they're doing.

They're trying to determine how many receivers to pick up in the offseason.

This. Folks, Nix might be retiring (if he even does) because of the Evans deal and if the contract negotiations for players that Nix feels are worthy of extentions aren't going well. And Whaley will be right behind him because as haze stated their philosophy seems to be the same. Heck, it could be Whaley on the way out on his own accord, he would be the one attractive to other clubs. For me the indicator of front office inner workings will be the contracts that have to be negotiated before next season. Buddy is a man of his word and I have a feeling if the Bills don't get signed who he wants signed he will walk and I can't see Whaley sticking aropund much longer than that. Does anyone think it's more than a coincedence that Modrak wasn't involved with the 2011 draft and it's pretty good? The question after the 2012 draft will be how much the senior bowl helped in 2011. I believe these are the best "football guys" to be around OBD in a while, and I'm hopeful they'll all stay, because the talent of this roster is much greater than it's been in quite a while, especially on the lines. Although I will say whoever scouts OLB's for this team needs to be replaced if they haven't already. When was the last time we drafted an above average olb?

I think Bell will want to be paid like a starter, don't you? I see the bills allowing him to talk to other teams to determine market value and someone will pay him like a starter.

Make the kicker start 5 yards away.

Let me explain it - those three guys should not be playing olb in a 3-4, they should be playing de at best. We are using them there because we have no one else qualified. It's also why we have to play a hybrid, we're trying to use what we've got instead of flushing guys and starting over. I also didn't say the run defense was as bad as it was last year; it's better but not good enough yet even using heavier players. The NT is needed to anchor the line of scrimmage and let williams/dareus use their quickness to make plays. This player does not rush the passer much. The three down lineman need to force double teams, and if they're not doubled they need to get in on the run play. I'd like to see us go olb/nt/olb in the first three rounds of the draft, and if they hit on two of those guys we should be okay.

Have to disagree here dude. Unless you want to count Kelsey, Johnson and Carrington as olb's. I know they're playing/played in those positions, but they are not 3-4 olb's. I still think the greater need was at olb, but I am happy with Dareus. I'm also not happy with the run d and still think we could stand to add a true nt to the mix because troup doesn't look like he's getting the job done. Hopefully he will improve, but I was hoping for more production out of him by now.

We seem to be committed to the 3-4 per Buddy. I've watched the steelers here for a long time and even with those linebackers it doesn't work without the anchor, and a high quality anchor at that. The ends are important also, don't get me wrong but the steelers run d doesn't seem to be the same with hampton not there or not playing well. If two dline can occupy four oline, lb's can get to the ball. I agree that we need a big upgrade at olb, but I just see the nt as a bigger need. Would have been nice to see troup there already, but he's in doubt as a contributor as far as I can tell.