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really? that's good - Booker was their scariest target last year, and criminally under-utilized by the fins

serious run on rb's here - ray rice, charles soon to follow?

wow didn't see that one coming

Tenn could also go DE

Mendenhall to Steelers

just going to say that the Albert fixation on this board is out of control

trade with the Saints - probably Sed Ellis - somebody always gifts the Pats more picks - idiots

it's funny that Ellis seems to be the consensus pick for the Pats even though he doesn't fit their defense at all. Just sayin

Dorsey's on the phone

and more, he gets his info from actual scouts rather than "scouting" the players himself in some way though Sweed makes sense regardless, he may not be the best receiver but he may have the fewest major question marks - Hardy has character problems, Kelly's speed isn't good and has a temper, DeSean is a midget, and Devin Thomas is a one year wonder without the best hands.

it seems like it would. it may have had to do with lack of time - I think yesterday was the last day you could run prospects through workouts, so maybe it was easier to just fly out and see him than get him into town in time

attitude, work ethic, and lies to NFL clubs about drug use have doomed him. He's off a lot of teams boards as a result. He has no one to blame but himself.

it was a workout with the Skins - not a pro day

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...0.96c05034.html not a mock draft, but his rankings end up closely mirroring about where players are selected - many think that he's given access to actual draft boards - but there is no dispute that he talks to a lot of NFL scouts in putting together his list (he does not evaluate players himself) 1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU 2. Darren McFadden HB Arkansas 3. Chris Long DE Virginia 4. Jake Long OT Michigan 5. Sedrick Ellis DT Southern California 6. Matt Ryan QB Boston College 7. Keith Rivers LB Southern California 8. Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State 9. Ryan Clady OT Boise State 10. Rashard Mendenhall HB Illinois 11. Leodis McKelvin CB Troy 12. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State 13. Derrick Harvey DE Florida 14. Devin Thomas WR Michigan State 15. Mike Jenkins CB South Florida 16. Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh 17. Jonathan Stewart HB Oregon 18. Branden Albert OL Virginia 19. Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee 20. Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt Only WR around our pick is Devin Thomas, but James Hardy is #23 (much higher than I expected) others: 27 - DeSean Jackson 34 - Malcolm Kelly 39 - Limas Sweed Manningham isn't even in the top 100

really doubt Butler could play center. He's like 6-7 - he'd be like the tallest center in the history of the league. Centers can't be much more than 6'3/6-4 because of their role in the blocking schemes. ans4 - to say Albert is athletic like Peters is crazy. Peters at 328 lbs ran a 4.89 forty, compared to Albert's 5.17 at 309 lbs (which is pretty average for a lineman). And to say that Long struggles in pass protection seems totally unsupportable by facts - he allowed 1 sack his entire career at Michigan and that was to Gholston. The guy is totally solid. I'm puzzled by Albert's runaway hype machine. I think he's clearly the best guard in the draft, but that's about as far as I can go.

More on Kelly from Chris Brown - seems the Bills staff wasn't too shaken by the outburst http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?post_id=3308 BILLS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WR KELLY OUTBURST: Much has been made of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly's criticism of his own school after he ran some disappointing times at his pro day earlier this month, even here in this space. He criticized Oklahoma for switching the venue of his pro day from an astroturf surface to field turf. It wasn't a good way to handle adversity, though one could understand with his NFL future on the line why he was upset after the workout. Bills scouts Joe Haering and Shawn Heinlen tried to set the record straight on Kelly. “No one thought he was an elite speed athlete, but the combination of his size to go with the speed he has is good enough for him to be a very productive receiver," said Heinlen who was in attendance at Kelly's pro day. "There is a laundry list of guys that have played receiver in the NFL that have not been 4.4 guys and been very productive. Granted, he was probably just very frustrated at the workout. He was a young guy that came out early and he’s not been put in that kind of situation before." “He probably thought he was that fast and the time didn’t come out and he got a little upset and vented," said Heinlen. "His interview was literally right after he finished working out. He didn’t have time to talk to anyone. He just got a little upset I think. I don’t think it’s an issue talking to the coaches. They all love the kid and speak very highly of him from a work ethic standpoint and his character. There’s no issue there. He was just upset he didn’t run as well as he hoped to run.” Scout Joe Haering who evaluated Kelly on tape believes Kelly he's fast enough along with his size to be a "good player in our league." Haering also cleared up the misperception that timed speed is end all be all factor. "The most important thing is how the guy plays which is called playing speed because the guy has pads on," said Haering. "Then there are the guys that run fast when they’re on the track with shorts. Sometimes the guy runs real fast in shorts and not with his pads on. I thought he ran fast enough. When you’re playing the game especially at receiver and he comes across the middle and gets punched in the mouth and his nose is bleeding maybe some guy running 4.4 is running a 4.8 the next time. My point is when I saw him he is fast enough to play. He has good playing speed." So although the draft gurus interpreted Kelly's disappointing pro day as a significant blow to his draft stock, in all likelihood most NFL teams haven't dropped his grade all that much. I had less of an issue with his timed speed than I did how he handled adversity. Knowing that interview came right as his workout concluded eases my concern about it a bit. Where does that put him in the draft? I'm guessing but probably the lower third of round one.

the list was more about legitimate options that the board typically hasn't been focused on for reasons that are usually less than really supportable in any objective way

The board seems to really only widely consider maybe a few players as the legitimate options at 11: Devin Thomas Derrick Harvey DR-C Branden Albert but as we know, we're often blindsided by who we pick and it causes a reaction of shocked outrage. So in the hopes of tempering that a bit, here is a list of guys that are legitimate possibilities at 11 (regardless of where the latest mock draft have them): Leodis McKelvin (probably won't be there when we pick) Mike Jenkins Antoine Cason Aqib Talib Limas Sweed DeSean Jackson Phillip Merling Kentwan Balmer Quentin Groves Keith Rivers Jerod Mayo Kenny Phillips? that would be a shock Calais Campbell? also a major surprise any of the Tackles - Clady, Otah, Williams - also would be a shock, but they are good value at 11 any others?

thanks space, I guess they meant "underachiever" mostly as a blocker. That makes a lot more sense considering his achievements as a receiver. That's a solid draft profile.

that's fair - i don't get that channel and probably shouldn't have lumped him in with the typical pundits that just echo the same baloney to each other.

I can't let them slide for calling Fred Davis is an underachiever. It's just flat wrong and flies in the face of the stats. - 117 career catches (12th on USC's career receptions list), 1,408 career receiving yards and 13 career touchdown receptions - tops ever for USC tight ends. He has 3 100-yard receiving games in his career (all in 2007). He has caught a pass in 17 consecutive games (including all 13 in 2007). If anything he's an overachiever considering he's not a freakish athlete and only 6'3.

honestly, a lot of guys on that list are guys that it's fashionable to say are overrated. no real risks taken. focus seems to be on guys that are bottom first to 3rd rounders anyway. That's not really being overrated when people aren't rating you that high to begin with. how is Fred Davis a career underachiever? He set USC records for production at the TE position. This list, imo, isn't much above garbage.

I just don't see it - I think this is just people piling on to somebody while they're down without actually really thinking about it too much. Kelly is way more physical a receiver than those guys and wasn't afraid to go over the middle at all. Better hands, better body control, better route runner. I've never heard his work ethic questioned and the only mark against his character seems to be his one outburst - which was totally out of line, but seemed out of legitimate frustration. His agent, I believe, bears a lot of the responsibility for not shielding Kelly from the ridiculous media baloney of the draft and not having Kelly focus on his strengths rather than the semi-B.S. track events that guys like Mayock, Kiper, and McShay fawn over.

probably Groves doesn't get mentioned because the punditry have declared him to be a 3-4 rush linebacker at the next level. Remember, it doesn't matter what all these people say - the scouts know who's actually better and whether a certain player can fit a certain scheme. Also Balmer only seems crazy because we have been fed the media mock drafts for months. He could be a way better prospect in pro scouts' eyes. Basically, none of us know much of anything other than somebody else's opinion that doesn't matter and is just as irrelevant, and a handful of highlights.

I think you're right - unless somebody falls out of the top-10 that wasn't expected to - like Sedrick Ellis (you never know)