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My point was in direct response to Whitewalker saying that scoring on the deep pass is bad because the D has to come straight back out and defend against good QBs....and that he would prefer a longer drive that scored less(see post #403 & what I was responding to). That concept is spurious logic. Aside from the obvious, if this were a legitimate concept then we should want all kickoffs to be touchbacks and all punt returns to be fair caught for fear of scoring or getting good field position which would put our D back out on the field etc.

What has that got to do with the point I was making?

Slow down there. I haven't even commented on the individual QBs, let alone made some sort of stupid remark about what I think one or the other can or can't do.

As that didn't make much sense to me....and there was no direct quote from Roman saying as much(or even allluding to it), I assumed(and am still assuming) that the inside leaks/sources were slightly misdirected in that it was Roman's view prior to him coming to the Bills, or at least until he saw how much better his young guys were compared to Cassel. Anything else pretty much paints Roman as a bit of an idiot IMO...and I really can't see him being one.

I think you are right on that. Things change....sometimes for the better. I'm hoping we get the chance in a couple of years to lament losing a star player or two in order to re-sign our young Franchise QB. What a great change in direction due to fortuitous circumstance that would be.

Yeah, that is what I was saying.

I think we could G&P if we wanted. It can simply mean running a lot, not necessarily the style of running. But I think you are correct regardless. Having Sammy and Woods, and adding Harvin and Clay would be a bit of a waste if we didn't pass the ball enough to take advantage of those weapons IMO.

Tuel was our #4.

Something I learned from playing poker was that most people expect others to act(and think) how they do. I see that most people around here(and everywhere-sigh), can't change their minds.....so going with my poker theory, they can't envision other people changing their minds.

A ground and pound game is not mutually exclusive from deep passing(see Big Ben's early years). Pound that ground as much as you want.....but when you pass, if you can achieve a successful deep pass, you would chose that over a successful short pass. Added to that, the G&P would open up the deep ball....and the deep ball would help the G&P more than the short ball.

Did anyone actually believe that he had an allegiance to Cassel? I always took it to mean that he was reticent to come here unless we had a veteran QB on the roster.....I assume because he had no idea how bad/good EJ or TT were going to be. That QB happened to become Cassel(could have been any vet QB)....and subsequently it has been clearly shown that Cassel has been outperformed by the young guys. Why would Roman have an allegiance to Cassel?

So scoring less points is the best tactic for winning games. Got it.

I've seen a lot of people state pretty much the same thing around the many QB threads and I don't really understand the logic. By saying that one thinks QB A has looked a better QB than QB B...but they expect QB B will get the start, isn't that saying that one either does not have faith in the coaches to make the right decision, or that one(for some reason) thinks that their own analysis is wrong?

2013 Bills were down to 4th QB. Oh how quickly some people forget. That said, I'd risk it and cut(trade) Cassel. I can't see him being able to progress us through the playoffs, and I can't see that going with Simms for a few games during season(compared to Cassel) is going to much hinder our chances at making the playoffs. I would definitely take the risk that our #1 and #2 QBs don't both go down for a substantial amount of time(at the same time) during the season, but make it back for the playoffs.

Hasn't EJ been the most dynamic playmaker during preseason? Not saying that TT hasn't had some dynamite plays....but EJ has been a machine.

Though I don't agree with his comment, it's just as wild as proclaiming that TT is going to be good.....or any other definitive opinion people are espousing about the QBs. Some people are going to be right.....I just hope the coaches are in that group.

Those would be the intangibles the poster was referring to.

And that's enough to be emphatic that he should be the starter? I don't think so....not without some sort of agenda to influence that emphatic thought.

The whole preseason thing has me confused. If we are discounting the preseason games, then why are so many people really high on TT? Most wouldn't have seen him in practice....so how can they form an opinion? If one acknowledges that TT has shown himself to be potentially good, then they must also acknowledge the same about EJ.

Because with the rollover rules we can move it onto next year's cap number.

$4.15M in cap savings if he is cut.

Montana and Young never shared starting duties. Where did you get that from?

After much deliberation I think EJ will get the starter job. Both EJ and TT look extremely dangerous in this offense. A big factor is likely going to be the OL IMO. It seems to me that with good OL play(which is what it looks like we have), EJ's strengths(long ball) will be highlighted. If it looked like our OL was going to be not so good, I think that this would play to TT's strengths(escapability). I also trust our coaches and believe that they won't make decisions being adversely influenced by outdated past impressions(EJ's first 2 years).

I believe he said that after TT looked good during the game.

Has he? Year one preseason he got injured and year two preseason he looked really bad.