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It worked out well for the Cowboys. But I'm sure the decision becomes a lot easier when you have the first overall pick in the draft and there is a legitimate star prospect available at QB whom you can take.

I agree with you on this.......but considering that we have missed 14 years of playoffs in a row, simply making the playoffs, regardless of being an actual legitimate playoff team, has pretty much become an understandable need for many fans.

Browns drafted McCoy in the 3rd in 2010 & Wheeden in the 1st in 2012 so that doesn't really count. Clausen was 2nd round, pick #48......so this was close, but not a 1st rounder and the second selection was with the #1 pick in the draft(Newton) which is a bit of a different situation also. From memory, the closest was the cowboys back in 1989 that spent a 1st rounder on Steve Walsh through the suplimentary draft & then selected Troy Aikman #1 overall in the regular draft.

I'll never understand these sort of threads. 5 pages on an undrafted player who hasn't caught a ball or even played a down in the NFL. Crazy.

Hahaha.....you guys are funny.

I agree with this up to a point. I don't think it feasible to do every year(for many reasons)......and there has to be a QB who you really like that is available. I have to add that to me it feels wrong to do this, but my head says that obtaining a star QB has become so important in relation to long term and ultimate success that to me at least it overrides any other concerns. It doesn't however show that one is giving up on EJ(or any other QB) either......just that rolling the dice more regularly on drafting a QB has become a lot easier and a lot more important than in times past.

I guess my point is that even though you may have seen that he was a legitimate option, the situation unfolded as if your view was not mirrored by any NFL team. This might mean that your assessment had extraordinary insight(and I do highly respect your assessments when given on the board).....or it could mean that you were lucky. As no NFL team thought that he was worth a 2+ year deal at the time I don't feel that the Bills can be looked at in any negative way in regards to not signing him up for relatively cheap money.

That's not what happened with Brees/Rivers. Brees did nothing with the Chargers for 3 years.......then they had the chance at a top QB prospect so they drafted Rivers......then Brees became really good.....then Brees got injured, had his contract run out and the Chargers were faced with a tonne of money for a star coming off injury while having already committed a tonne of money into Rivers. That's not what happened with Brady. The Pats took a flyer on a 6th round pick who miraculously turned into a superstar. They took a flyer on a 7th the year prior....a 4th 2 years later.....and a 6th the year after that. If they had any faith in Brady they obviously would not have risked waiting till the 6th round to draft him. I don't understand what you meant with Peyton. Nobody passed on him. He was selected #1 overall.

I think there might be a bit of "in hindsight" with that concept. It seems that the general view around the league was that he was well past his prime and would only offer him 1 year deals for minimal dollars.....which he chose to take that deal with the super bowl champs. 1 year $1.125M deal, so yes he certainly could have been had for cheap......but there must have been good reasons why he ended up with that deal with the Ravens.

I've always thought that playing to lose was a poor strategy for winning.

Or that Rinehart has only played 4 games.

Please. Just get over it. They whiffed on their assessment of Brown. It happens. From all reports he showed good ability in practice that didn't translate to game-day. They also brought in Legursky who considering he has been hardly mentioned since taking over the starting job, he must be doing a passable job. From last off-season this team has found serviceable-good starters(from multiple sources) at SS, CB2, CB3, OLB, ILB, DE, WR2 & WR3. Oops....LG didn't pan out as expected. Fire the lot of em.

That made me laugh. A bust after less than 6 full games.

The stat was for ESPN's Total QBR stat......which Manuel is now 26th at 40.7 for all qualifiers. To put some realistic comparison on it.....here are the 1st/2nd year QB's Total QBRs(qualifiers). http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr Rookies 26th EJ Manuel 40.7 27th Mike Glennon 40.5 32nd Geno Smith 30.4 2nd year 2nd Nick Foles: 79.2 8th Andrew Luck 65.0 12th Russell Wilson 59.6 22nd RG3 46.1 25th Ryan Tannehill 40.9 34th Brandon Wheedon 24.3 Stats are just stats.......and one horrible game does not predict the future. Likely EJ won't be the Bills QB of the future......but that would be the situation with any rookie QB.

The first drop I put down to a rookie feeling the rookie pressures of making his first catch in the NFL. The 2nd one......yes. Making that play would have helped establish his place on this team. At this point I am with you that TE high in the draft, in the 1st(if appropriate) is a very logical choice.

I've heard of him. Get er done Doug!

"Manuel didn't allow his receivers to go through their routes when he had ample time in the pocket. If a receiver wasn't open within 2.5 seconds, the quarterback would dump it down to a running back or tight end for a minimal gain." This was pretty much what Marrone said in his post game presser. Though not a good thing......at least it shows that Manuel could greatly improve(lol, wouldn't be hard from last weeks performance)......and it shows that Marrone knows what is going on. Further from the wgr550 All-22 on this.... "On many different plays throughout the Steelers game, Manuel had time in the pocket and a receiver on the cusp of getting open when he elected to dump it down. Eventually the young quarterback is going to have to prove that he can hit tight window throws down the field consistently. He's been quite hesitant to try it and shows the tendency to rather play the risk aversion game to instead attempt to nickel and dime the defense."

Interestingly, that was exactly what people were seeing him do through the first couple of games(throwing his receivers open) and saying that we haven't seen a QB do that in Buffalo for over a decade. IMHO EJ learned in week 3 against the Jets that things are a lot more difficult in the NFL and he seems to have regressed accordingly. He now needs to reestablish trust in himself, his abilities and the teammates around him.

I hope you are right. If EJ comes out next week and plays much better, showing the things he showed earlier in the season, I'm sure a lot of the understandable angst about him here will be greatly reduced.

You are slightly off on your math there. 13 years is 0.22% 14 years is 0.14%....or 1 in 720. And your figuring of number of years isn't quite correct either. Ignoring the fact that there were different percent chances in previous years(when there were less teams etc)......that means that each year is the first year in a base 14 year span.....and each base 14 year span has a 0.14% chance to not make the playoffs each year. To figure the chances of this occurring for the Bills throughout their 54 year existence......one first needs to figure the chances that it doesn't happen. There have be 41 x 14 year spans in those 54 years. The chance that a team makes at least one playoff appearance in any 14 year span is 99.86%(1 minus 0.14%). Multiply the .9986 by itself 41 times results in every 14 year span having at least one playoff appearance. This works out to be.....98.7%. That means that the chance that the Bills would have a 14 year span somewhere in there 54 year existence(ignoring past differing percentages as stated earlier) is 1.3% or 1 in 77 chance. That also means that the chance that it occurs league wide in the last 54 years(using 32 teams throughout) is 32 in 77......or 41.55% All this is of course assuming that all things are equal......which i don't believe that they are. IMO it hinges on the chances of not being able to find a decent QB within a 14 year period(along with other factors obviously). I would say that the odds of that happening would be well above 0.14%.......likely closer to 2-3%(at a rough guestimate).

Draft placing was irrelevant to San Jose Bills Fan's original premise. Who is the Bills best player regardless of compensation? .....and who is the Bills best dollar for dollar value? It was all about ability/performance and dollars cost. That aside, expectations are generally too high from fans.....and yours are no different. If one should expect that every 2nd(and 1st) round pick to play at a probowl level......that would be 64 players every single year who are drafted that theoretically should become top notch players. There is a massive difference between hoping a player becomes a probowl player & expecting a player to become a probowl player. Most 1st/2nd rounders are lucky to have an 8+ year career in the NFL let alone become stars.

......and the only player he drafted that is still on the team is Kyle Williams. I really love Marv, but even his biggest fan has to acknowledge that his tenure as GM was pretty much a failure.

Yep, Robey is scheduled to make $405K this season.......but in my head at least(and maybe I've got myself a bit of Kikomania), Kiko is far better value for money as a starting player playing at probowl(near probowl?) level & having seen 100% of the defensive snaps than Robey who is playing well as a part-time player.