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I like it (& agree with your thoughts on NO re. Hawk) Now comes the difficult part. Make it happen!

That's exactly right.... They won't pick a top QB....unless they do pick a top QB

That being the case perhaps OTs outside the top 10 should also be considered when assessing their bustability.

At the risk of being a bit facetious.... They won't pick a top QB....unless they do pick a top QB?

Agreed(though I can't be bothered researching again) It has only been the last few years that the busts have been common.

If it would just come true.

You wrote that just to get a response didn't you??? #4 1983 Chris Hinton 7 pro bowls #2 1984 Dean Steinkuhler 5 pro bowls #2 1995 Tony Boselli 5 pro bowls #4 1996 Jonathan Ogden 9 pro bowls #1 1997 Orlando Pace 7 pro bowls

I wouldn't describe Ngata as 'falling' to us. Closer would be us 'reaching' for Ngata.

What he said

Unfortunately according to the 'trade value chart' that deal would be very unlikely to happen. 8 = 1400 17 = 950 48 = 420 51 = 390 As you can see 2 seconds isn't going to happen. their 115(4th) = 64 our #8 for their 17,51 & 115.....not nearly as nice

I'm thinking either we sign him up now to a long term deal or we lose him next year. Taging him next year will cost another 20% on top of what he gets this year. May as well pay him buckets now (we have heaps of cap room at the moment). Charles Woodson was a good example last year of what we will be looking at if we tag him again next year.

I am not sold on Bunkley, Ngata nor Justice... Slim slim slim chance of getting D'brick(or is that just wishful thinking ) I expect us to get Davis or Huff & I'd be happy with it. I want us to take the best player available (though I'd balk a bit at a QB)

I'm so confused. You say done deal. Bills WILL draft Ngata. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...59entry665859 This guy says NO WAY will we draft him. Who do I believe? Ooooh, who do I believe?

I'm so confused. You say NO WAY. Bills wont draft Ngata. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=45317&st=0 This guy says it's a done deal regardless of who else is available. Who do I believe? Ooooh, who do I believe?

I have looked at the other rounds &..... From years 1986-2001 (I only counted rounds 2-7 since 8+ are no longer used) # of QBs drafted in rounds 2-7 = 127 # of QBs of long term starter caliber(including pro bowlers) = 18(14%) --plus Warner(undrafted), B. Johnson(9th round), Elvis Grbac & Trent Green(8th round) # of QBs to make Superbowl or considered good enough = 13(10%) # of QBs to make the superbowl = 6(5%) # of QBs to win the superbowl = 3 --Brad Johnson drafted 9th round won with Bucs --Warner undrafted won with Rams Using the 'trade value chart' there would obviously be far better value/pick with rounds 2-7 rather than round 1.

I pointed that out when I did the big list...the article forgot him. 1 QB didn't change the percentages much though... 72% are busts or not good enough. Only 19% get to the big game. ONLY 12.5% WIN THE SUPER BOWL!

I quite like that theory. If you combine it with the "in the trenches" theory & use 1st round picks on the lines each year then when you (eventually) strike it rich at lower round QB you will have an awesome line(theoretically) protecting him & providing a good running game.

Which raises the question again....why did the 49ers make the trade. They said they needed starters & were less interested in depth. Is it just me or does this just sound wrong considering the depth of this draft. I agree with the 49ers trading down from #6 theory(won't be to us though).

I think there is a good argument though to suggest a QB with exceptional awareness can succeed with an average O-line. Brady would be the most prominant example for this. I think a top O-line(& weapons) can make a QB look better than he is but a true Pro bowl QB(Favre, Montana, Elway, Manning, etc) makes all around him look better.

Mistake in article...Bledsoe also made the superbowl. I had a bit of time so... # of 1st round QBs from 1986-2002 = 32 2003-2005(too early to tell) COMPLETE BUST = 14 NOT GOOD ENOUGH(injuries included) = 5 PRO BOWLER = 7(4 are not really good enough to win) SUPERBOWL WINNER = 2(both pro bowlers) SUPERBOWL LOSER = 4(all pro bowlers) As you can see, 72% are busts or not good enough. Only 19% get to the big game. ONLY 12.5% WIN THE SUPER BOWL! I personally don't think it is as simple as they go to rubbish teams so therefore become busts. Some moved on to other teams to earn pro bowls & super bowls. A lot of the QBs were picked lower in the draft(by O.K. teams) & were still busts. I'm starting to think the QB position might be too difficult for scouts to analyse at the college level. Minimally, I think there is no extra reason for drafting a QB higher just because he is a QB. Too much emphasis is placed upon a 1st round QB. ()=number of pro bowls 1986 3 Jim Everett(1) - HOU 12 Chuck Long - DET 1987 1 Vinny Testaverde(2) - T.B. 6 Kelly Stouffer - St. L 13 Chris Miller(1)- ATL 26 Jim Harbaugh(1)- CHI 1988 - none 1989 1 Troy Aikman(6) - DAL 1990 1 Jeff George - IND 7 Andre Ware - DET 1991 16 Dan McGwire - SEA 24 Todd Marinovich - OAK 1992 6 David Klingler - CIN 25 Tommy Maddox - DEN 1993 1 Drew Bledsoe(4) - N.E. 2 Rick Mirer - SEA 1994 3 Heath Shuler - WAS 6 Trent Dilfer(1) - T.B. 1995 3 Steve McNair(2) - HOU 5 Kerry Collins(1) - CAR 1996 - none 1997 26 Jim Druckenmiller - S.F. 1998 1 Peyton Manning(6) - IND 2 Ryan Leaf - S.D. 1999 1 Tim Couch - CLE 2 Donovan McNabb(5) - PHI 3 Akili Smith - CIN 11 Daunte Culpepper(3) - MIN 12 Cade McNown - CHI 2000 18 Chad Pennington - NYJ 2001 1 Michael Vick(3) - ATL 2002 1 David Carr - HOU 3 Joey Harrington- DET 32 Patrick Ramsey - WAS 2003 1 Carson Palmer(1) - CIN 7 Byron Leftwich - JAX 19 Kyle Boller - BAL 22 Rex Grossman - CHI 2004 1 Eli Manning - NYG 4 Philip Rivers - S.D. 11 Ben Roethlisberger - PIT 22 J.P. Losman - BUF 2005 1 Alex Smith - S.F.

I've made comment recently about how I believe one needs a top QB to win Super Bowls. I stand by that thought though.... Where do you find said top QB? I would have thought high 1st round in the draft...hell, 1st round period. This article puts a dampner on my thoughts. Linky: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/colu...02=stateChanged

Clements... could still sign a multi-deal & be here for life....is a top player!!!! Henry...made 2 pro-bowls & we recouped a 3rd rounder(could get a top DT) Jennings...was considered a good starter(look how much S.F. gave him), started heaps of games for us. I don't mind TD being knocked for not looking after the lines, his bad pick of coaches, his letting go of the wrong players, his bad handling of personel etc etc etc..... but I always thought his drafting & free agent acquisitions were pretty good.

yit shes.

I think it means penis-like??

*sniff*... *sniff* Well it wasn't me.