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Or take the 1st round draft picks leading up to the Packers' Super Bowl win: 1992: Terrell Buckley 1993: Wayne Simmons, George Teague 1994: Aaron Taylor 1995: Craig Newsome 1996: John Michels Or take the 1st round draft picks leading up to the Patriots' Super Bowl win: 1997: Chris Canty 1998: Tebucky Jones, Robert Edwards 1999: Andy Katzenmoyer, Damien Woody 2000: none 2001: Richard Seymour Or take the 1st round draft picks leading up to the Bucs' Super Bowl win: 1998: none 1999: Anthony McFarland 2000: none 2001: Kenyatta Walker 2002: none Or take the 1st round draft picks leading up to the Bills' Super Bowl win: 2003: Willis McGahee 2004: Lee Evans, J.P. Losman 2005: none 2006: ????? 2007: ????? What was your point on 1st round picks & superbowl winners again?

If your real thoughts are "it is too soon to decide"...(which by the way are my thoughts), why write... 2004a: Lee Evans. Result: chosen 13th overall, there is considerable doubt whether Evans can ever be the go-to guy. Considerable = Large in amount, extent, or degree. Why not write...."overall, there is concern" or..."overall, there is hope" or better yet,..."overall, it is too soon to decide" If you must have a signature stating your views, surely they should actually state what your views are so as to not cause needless discussions.

I don't know about you, but at least for the 1st half of that season I was pretty excited about the Bills. Bledsoe was on pace to pass Marinos yardage record, PP had stepped up, positive things were happening..... then opposing defenses started to figure Bledsoe out.

no space after....* ' * two spaces after.... * . * one space after.... * , * At least, that's how I remember it. I could be wrong.

I agree. I think it is safer emotionally for most to assume the worst so that if we fail they can say "told you so" rather than crying.

Mr. ARM... I am glad we don't have TD any longer due to the simple fact that he failed. If however I were to assess ANY GM like you assess TD I would conclude they are all crap. You seem to think that whenever a move TD made came out for the better, it was luck.... & when it came out bad(or simply neutral) it showed he was rubbish. Below, you describe McGahees problems to be the O-line yet you sign off as.... 2003b: Willis McGahee. Result: McGahee failed to provide enough of an upgrade over Henry to be worth a first round pick. Implying McGahee won't pan out as pro bowl back. You also cast judgement on Evens.... 2004a: Lee Evans. Result: chosen 13th overall, there is considerable doubt whether Evans can ever be the go-to guy. Who knows if he will be able to be a top #1WR but the outlook for most is hopeful. His first 2 years stats are comparable(or well above) most top WRs. If I've misinterpreted what you generally mean.... perhaps you should summarize your points rather than listing your reasons & examples.....is your point basically that TD failed? If so, I don't think many would disagree with you.

I don't know how our law reads either but....I know it will be a seriously ugly case all round.

The trade for Bledsoe also directly obtained us the 2003b pick in WM. Bledsoes pro bowl performance that year (if you remember the first half he was on record breaking pace) inflated P. Prices numbers to #1 WR status. Who can honestly say we could have gotten the trade to ATL for PP if we had not traded for Bledsoe?

Why so sure of Ngata(over Bunkley)? Or even that Marv thinks either are worthy of #8?

I think you are right in that they are looking for a lineman. 2 points though... If a non-lineman of great talent drops i.e. Hawk, I think(hope) they will go for him. The 'character' thing I think is misunderstood by most. Yes, the player has to be an upstanding citizen with his head screwed on right but... He also has to be a focused individual on the field as well. The worry I have on Ngata is his effort can be inconsistent& he takes too many plays off. He does not(as I see it) fit into the character mold.

Agree about 'sure things'...it's an imposibility. I have concerns about Huff as well but I have a lot more concerns about Justice, Bunkley & Ngata.

No, you misunderstood me. At the #8 pick, I want a sure thing. Neither Justice, Bunkley nor Ngata are sure things. If we can get Bush, M. Williams, D'Brick, Hawk, Davis or even Huff I would be happy & comfortable. My point is about value. At #8 I want good value or a trade down.

I guess I'm a little worried of us botching up the #8 pick...the MW factor If we can trade down & get either Justice, Bunkley or Ngata I will be much more comfortable.

I don't think it's a matter of 'desperate'. If they were, there wouldn't be a discussion on the issue. Do the Lions need a QB of the future? Yes.(unless they believe McCown will be it...big if) Do the Cards need a QB of the future? Yes. Do the Rams need a QB of the future? Quite possible.(have started 3 different QBs each of the last 2 seasons) If Cutler(or Young) are rated highly by the Cards or Rams.... It is not ridiculous to imagine either trading up to #8.

I'm with you now....totally agree

I disagree....in the end, after 5 years, he failed to build a playoff team. He failed. He was a failure(though not horrible). However, he certainly does not deserve to be demonized as he has been on TBD. Just because he ultimately failed in the overall goal, does not mean he failed in all areas. Strangely, I feel he succeeded in a majority of areas but the negatives obviously outweighed the positives.

1. HOUSTON - BUSH 2. NYJ(from NO) - LEINART 3. TENNESSEE - V. YOUNG 4. NO(from NYJ) - HAWK 5. GREEN BAY - M. WILLIAMS 6. SAN FRAN - V. DAVIS 7. OAKLAND - NGATA 8. BUFFALO - D'BRICK 9. DETROIT - HUFF 10. ARIZONA - CUTLER Until the real draft, this one is as legit as any. GO BILLS!

I agree. All but about 3 were high tackles. The 3(?) that weren't were all below the knee hits. Didn't see him do 1 decent hitting tackle. It's hard to see that tackle style bringing down big strong Pro RBs or TEs. Now I don't think I want us to draft him anymore. ......I wish people would stop posting about things being previously posted. If nobody is interested, it quickly drops. Thanks for the link ofiba.

Funny, ESPNs Todd McShay is saying the opposite.... • Despite their switch from a two-gap defensive front to more of a one-gap penetration scheme, the Bills have Oregon DT Haloti Ngata rated ahead of Florida State DT Brodrick Bunkley. Ngata is a massive prospect (338 pounds) who seemingly fits the Ted Washington-mold as a space-eating nose tackle in the middle of a 3-4 scheme. However, Ngata spent most of his time as a 4-3 DT/NT at Oregon and would be asked to do the same if drafted by the Bills with the eighth overall pick. You would think ESPNs staff would perhaps communicate between themselves beforehand. Also... Len Pasquarelli says: Despite talk about the Jets possibly trying to move up from their current No. 4 slot in the first round, the team doesn't appear to have any such designs, no matter what transpires ahead of them McShay says: Multiple sources have told me the Jets are aggressively seeking a deal that would catapult them to the top of the draft board to bring Bush to New York.

I don't even think he forgot about the O-line. He unwisely invested a #4 pick into MW. He brought in Villarrial & Teague who have given good play. He drafted Jennings who played at a high level. He drafted Preston who shows some promise. Gandy & Anderson were rated at 70 & 72 respectively last year(by Scouts. Inc) when we got them in which put both into the 'Good Starter' category. He gave Peters a chance when no other would. His biggest errors are noted previously in this thread....consistency of plan, coach selection, letting go of the wrong players...etc, etc.

You talk rubbish....obviously Bush is going to fall to us at #8.

Since you added Hawk to the list, you should have also added the other 4 from the consensus top 5. For most, Hawk is a no-brainer.

At a time when all things draft are getting a bit too heavy, this article was fun to read. http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9385975

I didn't mean to cause offense. My post was a summary of yours. All I was doing was pointing out that you think they won't ...unless 'x' event happens ...which means they then will. They won't unless they will I know you think it unlikely....so do I. I was just playing word games.