Dibs

Well, I don't like to brag...

Typically 3 points on the spread.

....but then again.....

Did you see the footage of T.O. last game? What a knob....him, not you.

I always thought Randy Moss was the street name for a Sexually Transmitted Fungal disease.

*sigh* It takes time for players to become dominating. TKO/Fletcher/Crowell is a 1st class(dominating) LB corp. McCargo may well become a dominating player. Williams may well become a dominating player. We are good at DE(I'd like to see Schobel play with top talent around him).....& maybe add another(better) DL next year. You do realize don't you that you cannot just Magic up a great DL? It takes time.

To answer your question.....it's waaaay too early to tell. Let me put that another way......It's waaaaaaaaaaay too early to tell. *I imagine the DJ Bears team of 2001 had an awesome D too* WOW!!!! Out of the 4 Cover2 Ds that you list, 2 of them were GREAT defences(1 winning a superbowl....& this years Bears now one of the front-runners for the superbowl.) I like those odds. As I said last post..... Why not just relax & give the team some time to develop. If it doesn't work....whinge about it then.

Oh come on dude....you asked me to look at the Colts run D last year(with Tripplett) compared to this year(without Tripplett). I did...& I posted them. I made no 'findings'. I would think the percent of success with the cover2(Tampa2) D has been pronounced enough that many teams are following suit & switching to them. 2 great Defences out of how many? 6 teams? That is a pretty impressive results. Why not just relax & give the team some time to develop. If it doesn't work....whinge about it then.

I've found him on this PFW Rookie of the Year Meter. Just click on the link..... He's not in the first bit(top 10)....go past #5 SS Donte Whitner.... He's not in the second bit(Honorable mention).....go past S Ko Simpson.... He's in the third bit(Best of the rest)....along with LB Keith Ellison & DT Kyle Williams. I guess he's doing alright. PFW Rookie of the Year Meter

Colts run D last year with Tripplett was 16th in yards/game(110.1) & 28th in yards/carry(4.4) Colts run D this year without Tripplett is 31st in yards/game(166.8) & 32nd(last) in yards/carry(5.2) ME show you???? You started this thread by saying that DJ is locking himself into a certain type of player. You continued it by saying we should basically scrap Tripplett(one of the highest rated FAs last year)...scrap McCargo(3rd best rated rookie & a 1st rounder) & implied that Williams cannot become an impact player. YOU show me how these things are so. I have repeatedly shown you that the Tampa2 is no different to any other system in that it has preferences in styles of players. I have continually argued that to give up on our DTs is waaaaay premature....that they are only rookies. Basically, why should we scrap an entire year of DT rebuild?

I never meant that Whitner was considered the greater pick....as we all know, he was considered a 'reach' at the #8 spot. What I meant was that Whitner was considered to be one of the most ready to play draftees(which seems to have been on the money). I personally believe that this factor helped his #8 selection....& why not? You get better value out of a player who produces faster. N'Gata might well end up having the bigger impact career....as you said, we'll see. Your 5 game statement. Totally agree.....can you tell it to those stating that McCargo & Williams won't become impact players.

My list was in response to the comments that he has the occasional monster games where he obtains all of his sack numbers. You yourself implied this in post #25 by saying "Once in a great while, he has a dominating performance but for the most part..." I compared him with Peppers & Taylor & you can clearly see that his sack numbers come in compareable game numbers to them. It may well be true that when he is off he is waaaay off....I don't know, but he is on just as much as his contemporaries are.

You are quite correct.......just because a majority of analyst say so does not mean squat....(I'm not being facetious, I'm serious about that). That being said, there were quite a lot of detractors in regards to N'Gatas' drive & abilities...I'm sure you remember the arguments at the time. I'm not too sure whether to take it as a compliment or an insult that out of all the words I have written on this thread, that one sentence is the one you draw attention to.

3. So you discount the players we have???? Tripplet is considered a good/penetrator & was one of the top FA DTs last year. We selected McCargo in the 1st round! How can you just brush that away as if he has no obvious potential? And what about Williams? How is it possible that you can know he is not going to be good? BTW, Bernard was a 5th rounder, Darby an UDFA, Dockett a 3rd, Davis a 2nd, & Scott a 4th. It is ridiculous to say that the players we have now definitively will not become good/great. 4. I mentioned the 3-4..... You argue the point that the Tampa2 is overtly restrictive in its nature particularly towards DTs. My point of mentioning the 3-4(along with other systems) is that any team that chooses a 3-4 is restricting the type of DT they can chose.....more-so than ours is. You could not put 80+% of the FA DTs as the NT in a 3-4 & expect good results. I showed multiple systems (O & D) that 'need' certain types of players at certain positions....just as our defensive scheme does....as does our offensive scheme....as does pretty much every teams O & D schemes. Your point on the restrictive nature of our D scheme is not an aberration.....it is in fact the norm for most teams on both sides of the ball. Players don't win championships.....teams do. What's the point of having a Randy Moss if you cannot throw deep down the field to him? What's the point of having a Deon Sanders if you play zone all the time. What's the point of having a Montana if you play the deep vertical passing game? What's the point of having a Sapp if you stick him in the 3-4 NT position? The objective is to get all the players to play in harmony together achieving the best out of their abilities. You imply that you just have to put 11 athletes onto the ground & let them go for it & you'll win. Honestly, what makes you think that just because you've prematurely given up hope that our DTs can become difference makers that everybody else has? We have a 1st round DT, a diamond in the rough 5th round DT & a previously 2nd round pick & highly sort after FA DT. Why are they all duds?

Hmmmm..... 2005 Schobel 12 sacks spread over 8 games Taylor 12 sacks spread over 7 games Peppers 10.5 sacks spread over 6 games 2004 Schobel 8 sacks spread over 6 games Taylor 9.5 sacks spread over 8 games Peppers 11 sacks spread over 7 games 2003 Schobel 11.5 sacks spread over 9 games Taylor 13 sacks spread over 10 games Peppers 7 sacks spread over 7 games 2003-2005 Schobel 31.5 sacks spread over 23 games Taylor 34.5 sacks spread over 25 games Peppers 28.5 sacks spread over 20 games What was your point again?

1. Last year we were 31st in the league with bigger DTs. So far this season(keeping in mind new scheme & rookies) we are 19th & improving. 2. Yes. 3. Often....but often not. The 3-4 will certainly want a big guy in the middle but in the 4-3 it's basically down to ability. Last season Seattle #5 with Bernard(293) & Darby(298) Tampa Bay #6 with Hovan(298) & McFarland(300) Arizona #10 with Dockett(293) & Davis(306) Chicago #11 with Harris(300) & Scott(305) 4. Generally yes, but Adams(in his prime) was certainly a penetrating DT at 350....they can be found & you are only assuming that DJ is basing player selection on weight rather than ability/performance. 5. This is really the crux of your argument. When a team(Buffalo in the past) goes to a 3-4 defence, they are restricting themselves the other way....i.e. in the 3-4, a wide-body is required to run it effectively. A west-coast offence requires certain abilities pass catching from it's FB, TE & RB to be effective. The 'ball control' offence requires a smash-mouth type RB rather than a nifty sort. Jerry Greys defence required a lot of man coverage ability by the CBs where-as a cover2 or tampa2 not so much. Every system has 'requirements' from certain positions which if met, help the system to excel.....i.e. in the tampa2, the SS position is far more important than other defensive schemes. We should not restrict the potential of a system by trying to waste athletic ability by using it incorrectly. It seems to me you are still smouldering over us not getting N'Gata.

Maybe I'm dumb but I'm really not following your point....perhaps you can spell it out for me. Adams is irratic, old & probably past it.....Cincy is 27th in yards/game(144) & 26th in yards/carry(4.6). Tripplett was widely considered one of the best DTs in the FA pool....the best was Rocky Bernard who tips the scales at 293lbs. Ngata was far less of a sure thing than Whitner(plus we needed a good SS) & McCargo(who fits better) was obtained. What is the problem?

Ironically, your post does not suck.

Um....who is out there in FA at the moment who can dominate the line of scrimmage? I'm not seeing a problem here. Had we gotten N'gata & he broke his foot, we'd be in the same situation.....we'd be a man down at DT.

Don't worry.....late 70's & early 80's TV was not exactly quality.

I guess you'd be early to mid 20's in age then.

I agree with you about Indy's Run game.....it's certainly good enough. I could not put them(unlike several others on this thread) as the top team due to their total lack of a run D. They rank 2nd to last in yards/game at 166.8 They rank last in yards/attempt at 5.2 They cannot count on amazing comebacks from Manning every week.

The only way that what you are saying could make sense is if TKO was a bit iffy & we decide to start him. If he is truly healthy, it makes all the sense in the world to start him.