Lothar

Great job, Gunner! You and Blokes and Bandit are the three amigos of prospect analysis on TBD. Given that you think Rosen seems the only sure fire franchise guy, what's your opinion on the other 6 or 7 when it comes to potential fits with the Bills' projected style of offense. Or is that too nebulous at the moment?

Bandit, you're one of the handful of posters whose opinion on college players I listen to. However, whether it's the contextualized qb data or any other data set with analysis of accuracy and ability to progress through reads, Allen shows poorly. Maybe his tools translate well to the pro game. But the one actual complete game I saw of him this year where he played against a poor Oregon defense, he was pretty bad. Maybe when surrounded by other nfl players, he'll find his way, but damn, that seems a long way off for someone with his faults. Sitting behind someone like Eli or Ben for a couple years is his best bet. I don't want him to have to learn behind our kiddie corps of QBs.

That article was before last season. I'd have no problem taking him at 12. He won't last till 22. He may need a year of grooming but his upside may be higher than anyone else's in this draft.

Whoa! Love it.

The correlation to winning and turnovers is actually around 78%. http://www.footballperspective.com/winning-the-turnover-battle/

There's a decent chance we'll be picking top 10 next year with a rookie QB. No way I trade that away instead of our 2nd this year.

Gunner, Kirby and Bandit - I think there may be one or two more among the TBD regulars that really put the time in to the draft process. Thanks for this! Can't wait to see the others also. While I am a Mayfield fan - his will to win and his accuracy remind me of Rivers but he also has a stronger arm and more mobility - I'd be fully on board with Rosen as well. With this class being deep for RB and DT as well, Gunner, who do you think might slot into those positions when the Bills pick?

I first saw this thread and saw, "trade up for bust" . .. yah, could happen.

You say commiserate, I say commensurate. You say tomato, I say tomahto.

I think there's a reasonable argument to be made against the extension the team offered Wood. We had just signed Groy, who had performed well in Wood's absence. Even at the time, there were a lot of us who felt the guarantee to Wood was perplexing at best and mind numbing at worst.

I wonder if the old D&C discussion pages are archived somewhere ... thank you, Scott for giving us a home.

Rumor has it he will be the highest paid qb in the league when he signs his contract. Even pseudo-franchise qbs getting to free agency will break the bank. And i don't think he's worth that much.

We seem to be getting older and slower and less talented. Other than that,everything's fine.

Ya, I just remember the two games I watched Miami last year where he'd fold at the first sign of pressure once he'd been hit a couple times. That's not something you can teach. I remember thinking he was the worst player on the field against FSU.

My anger at the front office is that trading Watkins before the year just isn't smart. What's the best scenario with keeping Watkins? The new lineup catches fire, Tyrod does pretty well with a talented group of receivers, maybe we make the playoffs. Even if we missed the playoffs and decide to go all in on a new QB, wouldn't you want him to have a great receiver? We get a 2nd round pick for Watkins now. We'd probably get a 3rd round comp pick next year if we lost him and didn't want to tag him. This, to me, is arrogance in believing that a very good QB can win without great receivers. Not everyone is Tom Brady elite.

Lee Evans couldn't hold Sammy's jock. Let the year play out, haters.

In abilities. In deed.

Whether one has advanced degrees in math and science shouldn't preclude the idea that individuals don't tighten up or lose confidence after a succession of bad plays. Rather than use mathematics or hard science as a proof of momentum's existence, the psychology of pressure and (waxing or waning confidence) could explain a lot. As could better coaching and more experience in the big game.

Hoping Hodges next

Xavier Woods is my pick.

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2 of those 6 will probably be available at 31. Don't reach for a QB just because of need. Picks, picks, more picks for me ... we got rebuildin' to do.

Frankly, this would be the worst place for him to land. Too many demons for a leadership position. You can get away with it if you weren't going to be the future face of the franchise. I think he flames out early from the pressure, especially in Buffalo.

Wow. I know these are highlights. But anticipation, mechanics look solid, even under pressure. Looks like a good guy to groom if you aren't sure about Cardale.

Not that he needs it and I've been on here since way before the Bills had a message board, but you did come in guns blazing on one of our best posters. That said, glad you made peace with him. I'd sooner take Blokes' and Bandit's recs on a draftable player than most of the talking heads.