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Exactamundo, sir. Well said

FOREVER HATE IS THE BEST KIND OF HATE!!!

yes....yes it would

Thanks

I would like to hear this explanation.

He means, of course, when JP and Evans rip shiit up this coming season, we will then move to extend them in the coming offseason so they don't play '08 as FA years.

Yes, I agree. I never said that Turner would get the same amount of money as Schaub, only that tradeable commodities in the NFL get over inflated contracts based almost solely on potential. edit: i see where you could have misunderstood. When I said "Turner will get his money", the "his" wasn't referring to Schaub but Turner himself.

Evidently someone has a serious mancrush!

He will get huge money. Any player that is acquired through the giving up of high draft picks can command a big salary based upon his relative value. This is the nature of the NFL, these days. If Schaub can get 96 quintillion zillion dollars, then Turner will get his money, if only based upon his potential and relative value as a tradeable commodity. It would also be foolish of the team that acquires him not to lock him up long term to a new contract, especially considering the price for RB's is only going to go up and whatever contract he signs now will be chump change in a couple years.

that's who I would say.

Yes, there is no way we get all three players. Meachem will be gone by the 1st round, possibly higher than Willis, and you just can't trade an '08 draft pick like you claim to move back into the 1st round. It is a nice pipe dream but that is all it is, imo.

Randolph and the family in concert is great. I highly recommend them as well.

IMO, it's a good indication that he's a good fit for playing Cover-2 in college. It certainly shows an extensive familiarity with a similar defense, which is a good thing, of course, but his ability to execute a similiar defense in the NFL is a different question, imho, because an NFL Cover-2 requires a certain caliber of athlete that a college cover-2 does not require due to the lesser quality of athletes one faces in college. I am not yet convinced that the Pos is an NFL Cover-2 linebacker on a pure athletic level. No one is doubting he's a great football player, but is he the athlete necessary to play as an NFL Cover-2 linebacker? I have doubts about this, imho. This is the big problem I had with your response. Your inferences put words in my mouth and assumed things that I didn't say at all. I asked you if you were saying that the skill set required to dominate as a cover-2 college LB was the same skill set needed to dominate as an NFL Cover-2 Linebacker. Your response was littered with assumptions that you inferred based upon one question that I asked. Forgive me if I take issue with this method of twisting my words to suit your own argumentative purposes. My initial question asked you if you would say that the skill set of a Cover-2 College LB is the skill set needed to be a Cover-2 NFL LB. You responded, to which I then said that imo a higher caliber athlete is required to play NFL Cover-2 LB and that familiarity with the system via a similar college system and natural football instincts (which Poz has in spades) are essentially subordinate issues if you are not the athlete required to play the NFL Cover-2 system, a system which is predicated on speed and athleticism. IMO, I am not yet convinced that the Pos is a NFL Cover-2 LB, as others are not as well. This is my opinion and yours differs and that's great. Just don't twist my words like your opinion is the only one that matters and is true because you alone employ "logic" and "common sense". Being a dominant college cover-2 LB is obviously an indication of potential to play in an NFL Cover-2 system. It is merely, however, one piece of a potential puzzle that may end up fitting and may not. There are a myriad of other factors to be considered when judging a player's potential fit for whatever system that you run. All LB's drafted in the draft come from college having been highly productive players, but that does not mean that all of them go on to be productive NFL players, including 1st round graded players. There may be only one or two "1st round graded" LBers that we think are fits for the Cover-2 Defense. I am not yet convinced the Pos is this fit, which is not a slight to his ability. At the moment, I think he is a great 1st round prospect for a different kind of system. But that is just my opinion, albeit it "illogical", as you say, or "not based upon common sense", which are two terms that you use as equivalent to "doesn't agree with me". Thank You. I did not say it. You extrapolate things from my question that I did not say at all and put words in my mouth to craft a counter argument against my question. Are you unfamiliar with "questioning"? I'm just asking because it seems to me that you and I have differing ideas about what it entails. IMHO, it's when one person asks how another person arrives at a certain conclusion. The person that asks expects the other person to respond stating how they arrived at a certain conclusion. This reciprocal give and take hopefully results in a greater depth of information being passed between both people so that they may refine their own opinions about the subject at hand if necessary. Sometimes, however, if one person is so dead set in stone about their own opinion and think they are "right" and possess the "truth" of the matter, they can become upset when the other person raises issues or objections that do not gel with the true right opinion that they deem themselves to have. This usually results in a breakdown of civil debate, as the person who possesses the "true" and "right" opinion can resort to insults and twisting of words in order to browbeat the other into accepting his obviously right opinion. No, it doesn't alleviate any of my concerns because I am not convinced he is the caliber athlete that is required to play in the Cover-2. This is my opinion. There is absolutely no point in drafting a LB in the 1st round if he doesn't fit our scheme and in my opinion at the moment he does not. If the Bills draft him, we will know they think he does fit and I certainly place an almost infinite more stock in their football knowledge than mine, so time will tell there. My real concern is not his talent as an instinctive football player, which is obviously superb, which anyone that has seen him play would tell you, but his ability to play as an NFL Cover-2 LB where a premium is placed on speed and athleticism. I think I have covered this already. I think I have sufficiently logical and straight forward in expressing my opinion and touching on the points you have raised. You are more than welcome to critique my own conceptions but please refrain from putting words in my mouth or assuming I have said something when I have not typed it in a post.

Thank You

Did I say that? Please show me in my post where I said that. I merely questioned how you judge the Poz as being suited for a NFL Cover-2 Defense based upon his experience playing in a similar defense in college. Who's being the ass? And how was my question indicative of someone who has not done any "research"? Yes, I do, in the NFL. That is the question up for debate. There are lots of opinions about whether or not he is a proper fit, evidently. That is certainly a big plus. It certainly indicates his college prowess. Whether or not that translates to playing in an NFL Cover-2 defense to the same level of effectiveness is the question and one that I am not sold on yet. None. This has no bearing, however, on whether a player is capable of playing a certain defense in the NFL. By all accounts, to play LB in the Cover-2 you have to be a certain quality of athlete as well as a football player. Speed and athleticism is at a premium. I certainly am very willing to listen to anything anyone knows about Poz and I hope my mind can be changed, but I am not convinced as of now, from my experience and knowledge of him, that he is suited for the Cover 2. If the Bills draft him on the 28th, we will at least know that the Bills think he can. Their judgment, in the end, is the only one that matters before he actually takes the field and performs. Once again, please show in my post below where I said either of these things: - I judge every player only by their intangibles - i don't even consider their on field performance

So you're saying that Big 10 offenses composed of Big 10 players are the equivalent of NFL offenses and NFL players in terms of speed, size, and complexity and that the minimum skill set that it takes to dominate said Big 10 offenses as a OLB in a College Cover-2 Scheme directly correlates to the same skill set necessary to dominate NFL offenses and NFL players as a player in a NFL Cover-2 Defense?

with one stone! indeed!

Your 'tar has hit subgenius warp speed factor 23

Who's that?

There's a smurf outbreak in Tanzania.

Not if he doesn't fit for the Cover 2, which is the only question that matters and which to me is very debatable.

You crack me up.

Exactamundo. It's hard to imagine someone would even bring it up as a possibility. We will sooner sign Rosie O'Donnell to play 1-tech DT.