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And like I said, people who have always been Allen detractors will continue to be Allen detractors p***ing and moaning along the way no matter what growth he shows or the results on the field.

And just what has he done in the 4th quarter of games this year with the stakes at their highest? Run them down the field for the win? Your "needs" and reality don't seem to correlate.

When McDermott and Beane came in the team had salary cap issues. They overachieved with a mediocre roster and caught a massive break from Andy Dalton and Tyler Boyd to get into the playoffs. If you watched the playoff game against the Jags, the top defense of that year, it was clear we could have and should have won that game. Tyrod was on full display in that one. He was never going to be the answer. What we had behind him was trash. We had an aging running back and some tough decisions to make. The process of the rebuild was sped up by the fact Richie lost his marbles again and Eric Wood was forced to retire. We jettisoned malcontents Sammy Watkins, Marcell Dareus, and Cordy Glenn. All three were talented players, but either didn't want to be here or didn't possess the right attitude in the current organization's eyes. Depth and an overall lack of talent was a huge problem on this team. Over the last three years they have brought in many quality players, clearly having a plan of what they want to improve in each offseason. The salary cap woes have been effectively eradicated. The overall depth of this team is better than it's been in quite some time. They went all in on Allen and he looks to have quite a promising future in front of him. That is unless you are an Allen detractor, in which case you will continue to p*** and moan no matter what he does on the field. In the last 3 years the OL has been revamped(partially forced due to unforeseeable events that took place), the WR corps has been revamped, the secondary has been revamped, the LB unit has been revamped, the interior DL has been revamped, they got their franchise QB as well as a more than capable backup, and in 2019 they are 5-2. Weak schedule, no weak schedule, who cares? Teams still have to execute on the field, injuries happen, and there is always going to be parody outside of the constant which is NE(as long as Brady and BB are there) in the NFL. We have a young team at MANY positions, all of which whom are growing together. You can see growth in the young guys, even though they are going to have lapses at times. If you can't see this team is headed in the right direction and understand they are building for sustained success then I don't know what to tell you. If you can't grasp the complete roster overhaul that has taken place I don't know what to tell you. If you can't understand the youth of this roster and the typical growing pains with such youth then I don't know what to tell you. If you can't understand or have a problem with "the process" of the whole thing then I don't know what to tell you. Like I said in another thread we weren't going to be 15-1 this year running the table, beating the Pats in NE, and winning the division. Are there still issues that need to be worked out? Absolutely. Are there things or coaches that all of us have opinions about one way or another? Absolutely. The incessant whining, crying, and fire everyone posts by all of the Allen haters and Billspolar after a loss, our 2nd loss in 7 games, (our only two losses being to the teams who won the last 2 Super Bowl's mind you) is pretty ridiculous from top to bottom. I'd say 5-2 while being in a prime position for a playoff spot this year isn't bad at all. Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

This is EXACTLY what I thought when I read it.

Fitz going for broke..... or trying to get broken

Devin Bush looks like he has a sh*t lock hanging out the back of his helmet

No surprise there. He's another one who doesn't understand situational football.

MIB?

We have a favorable schedule to make the playoffs. We should be able to cash in on that. We were never going to go 15-1, beat the Pats in NE, and win the division. A loss brings out all of the Nancy's, Allen haters, and Billspolar to go on thread sprees. Once we get in the playoffs everyone's record is 0-0. Hopefully come December/January Josh and this defense are playing their best football. Anything can happen at that point.

I'm still watching too. Break out the straitjacket

If Miami wins this game to get off the shnide what will they be saying about Pittsburgh and Tomlin now? Insult to injury is Miami owns their 1st Round pick this year for Minkah. They absolutely hosed the Steelers and are now taking them to the woodshed.

I believe you are correct in your assessment my friend. One can only hope the leash is short after the s*** playcalling we have seen for about half of each game this year.

Allen cuts down on the INT's and now it's the fumbles. It's not the playcalling, it's the people running the plays despite the fact that Stevie Wonder can see Daboll doesn't understand situational football and is calling the same dumb week in and week out.

The Ravens have a rushing attack with Ingram, Edwards, and Hill that will pose a problem if Frazier/McDermott don't have these guys playing solid gap integrity by then.

Meh, I don't think I give up a 1st or a 2nd for Williams. A 3rd, maybe. I'd rather have a pass rusher that gets Murphy off of the field.

I'd take Allen Robinson in a heartbeat.

He took that shot on the final play yesterday and got absolutely lit up from behind. He didn't even see it coming.

I'm not gonna vote because those won't be the types of stats he is consistently putting up by year 4. Guess who's stats these are below after 16 games. Note the 2nd QB on the list, that was after his 3rd year of starting. QB #3 was his 2nd full year as a starter. 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1 15 15 280 469 59.7 3,513 7.5 18 23 46 280 75.4 32 98 3.1 2 5 2 16 522 318 60.9 32.6 3,303 6.3 206.4 19 3.6 24 4.6 66T 37 5 30 199 72.2 I'm sure I could continue on, but the people who love to find reasons to hate Josh Allen despite the improvement he is showing on the field will continue to hate Josh Allen despite the improvement he is showing on the field.

Josh's legs are a better weapon when the play breaks down and he takes off on his own. The designed runs for a QB that has already had one concussion this year are stupid. You can't help for his football instincts taking over and him trying to make something out of nothing, but Daboll has got to stop with this dumb he does on a weekly basis.

Light's out? Not so much. Yeah, he's running the ball well, but he's not so hot throwing the ball. Since the Miami game week one where everyone wanted to b***-wash him as the greatest QB in the NFL alongside Pat Mahomes, he's got 6 TD's and 5 INT's in the last 6 games. His completion percentage is also around 61% in that time. The difference is he is the best pure athlete out of any of the guys drafted last year and can run his arse off. He was 9-20 against Seattle in his last outing throwing the ball, but was running all over the place in that W. Ran all over Cincy as well the week before. Overall though he has only thrown 1 TD pass in his last 3 games.

Did we lose 3 fumbles in the first half?

And the Eagles were sitting on it all day, even though Josh was having a solid game until the Eagles started pinning their ears back as the lead grew.

There has to be a middle ground in a sense. I'm glad he is learning not to make the terrible INT throws, but at the same time you have to let him be himself on the field. Daboll IS the problem. No innovation, no situational game awareness, no in game adjustments, and he is overcomplicating things for everyone. Josh is going to throw an INT here or there, so did Favre. At the same time you have to let him do what he does best. In the last 3 games he has 6 TD's to 1 INT, but everyone wants to harp on the fumbles now. It's like the article said, the guy can't win for losing with the fans and the media.

I have one big factor, Brian Daboll. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/17/brian-daboll-to-coordinate-dolphins-offense/ Do we not see the pattern here?