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The guy obviously doesn't take into account that Darnold got 8 of his completions, 80+ of those yards, and his only TD on a meaningless, late 4th qtr drive where the Dolphins had the game in hand. People are stupid. About Josh though? Definitely shown improvement and progressively doing so. The answer is yes and yes with it being in tandem.

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Cuz we takiiiinnn ooooova, one DT at a time ~ *Akon voice*

Go look at Jackson's passing stats. Someone broke it down in this thread already. Since week 2 Jackson has 5 passing TD's and 5 INT's. Thats 6 games worth of passing production. In the last 4 games Josh has 7 TD's and 1 INT throwing the ball. The difference is Jackson channeling his inner RB having about 500 yards on the ground in that time. I'm not saying either one is better than the other right now, but it's plain to see that Josh is trending upward as a passer where Lamar is reverting to Lamar from last year. It will cost Baltimore when it counts. I said before the year that Josh's completion percentage would be up 10 pts this year from last. He is pretty darn close to that, while cutting down the turnovers recently, and doing better from the pocket. Josh could be out there winging it like Jackson as well if the team wanted him to do so, though he is clearly not the athlete Jackson is, but I believe the emphasis is on trying to make him a better QB. It's not like I hate Jackson. I think he's fun to watch. I thought he was fun to watch in college too. I think he's a great athlete. But the ball washing narrative that he is this amazing, top QB in the league, all while being an MVP candidate this year make me laugh. Why, because he can run better than any other QB? He's shown some improvement and he is having a good year for Baltimore. Is he his team's MVP? Yes. Is he the league MVP? No.

Haven't you heard? Oliver is failing miserably at DT so he's next man up at LB.

Just like the same narratives the Allen "critics" have which they hold to no matter how many comebacks he leads, clutch throws he makes, how much improvement he shows in his decision making with the football, or W's he leads the team to right?

He has been good for his team and I'm not saying he hasn't been. His 300 yard per game average is due to his legs though so don't get it twisted. Also, 324 of those passing yards and 5 of those passing TD's came week 1 against the Miami Dolphins. You can come back with the whole, "Well what did Josh do against the Dolphins?" argument, but it's clear to see over the last 4 weeks they have been getting progressively better. Lamar didn't singlehandedly beat the Pats either. Ingram had a good game as well as the defense against that Pats offense. I'm not saying he hasn't improved from last year and I'm not saying he isn't the best fit for his team, but I am also not getting the whole reason the media and various other people love to s*** him off like he is some amazing QB. He's not. He's an average at best QB who happens to be the best athlete at the position since Michael Vick. And if Josh were running for all of those yards and on as many plays as he does people would be screaming about that as well. They'd be moaning he runs too much, he's not a real QB, he's not the long term answer, blah, blah, blah. Winning doesn't matter around here unless your QB is throwing for 350 a game and 3 TD's. Haven't you figured that out yet?

Yes, but Lamar's been getting his RB on in that time so that makes him worthy of league MVP discussion.

It will all hinge on whether we can stop the run. If we can hold Chubb and Hunt in check then we should be able to win the game. I do worry about Dawkins and Ford/Nsekhe facing Garrett though. Hopefully there is a gameplan in place that takes advantage of his aggressiveness. Slip screens, draw plays(with the RB's and not Josh), and some quick passes. Another thing I am hoping to see is someone light Landry's b**** a** UP out there on a crossing route or something. I could live with a 15 yarder as long as his dirty a** is leveled on Sunday.

Yeah, maybe I should change my wording a bit. He's not getting beaten deep or anything, but he is getting targeted a lot and routinely gives up first downs the last few weeks it seems.

The whole DL and LB unit was getting blown up on those chunk runs by AP. I saw Star, Edmunds, and Milano getting eaten alive in there as well. They had the running game going in the first half, but we made some adjustments and they looked better as a whole after halftime.

That's just the thing, he hasn't had a "poor" rookie season. They gave a guy who has turned into an animal this year the starting nod, rewarding him for his GREAT play on the field thus far. JJ Watt only had 4.5 sacks as a rookie. Arron Donald had 9 total, with 6 of those sacks coming after his 8th game in his rookie year. He has 2 less tackles and 2 less sacks than Donald had his rookie season through 8 games. He has 6 less tackles and the same amount of sacks JJ Watt had through his first 8 games. That's the definition of a bust? Has he REALLY had a "poor" season? So in turn, yes, the intelligence level of some people on this board is seemingly borderline disabled at times.

If we're not going to give Oliver as much burn at DT for the next few games then I would SURELY put him out there @ LDE instead of Murphy on some plays and see how it works out.

The absolute hilarity in all of this is the people screaming "BUST!!!" after 8 regular season games. I swear the intelligence of some people on this board is borderline disabled.

If Wisenhunt is calling the plays yesterday they lose that game. That new OC saw something on film and had a good gameplan ready against the Packers. Rivers and those guys executed to a T and had sustained drives that resulted in points 6 times. They kept the Packers off the field and that pass rush never allowed Rodgers to get into a rhythm. You can gameplan, but the guys still have to execute. That's what the Chargers did yesterday was execute.

Said 11-5 before the season started and we get a playoff win this year. Sticking to it, numbers or no numbers.

I mean, technically, we do control our own destiny, but at the same time I think we can be realistic in recognizing we're not going to run the table. I love our team and how it's being built. I think we have our franchise QB. Our defense has shown some scary susceptibility to the run the last three weeks though and Levi has been getting burnt pretty regularly. They got it together in the 2nd half yesterday, but we have a lot of upper tier RB's remaining on our schedule. With Daboll calling the plays, having these "wtf" stretches in games, I don't see us being able to beat every team remaining on the schedule. I just don't. The defense is good, but can they continue to hold teams to 14-20 pts a game for 8 more weeks? I doubt it. There will probably be another couple performances where the offense needs to put up 30+ to win and I don't trust Daboll to call games where we do that, win a shootout so to speak.

The Browns are getting handled by a Broncos team with Brandon Allen playing QB. Wow.