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Dorian Williams would have made that play

Gotta love the 10 second delayed flag

The Chiefs cost us the #1 seed. They just keep winning no matter what team is placed in front of them.

All the flags they threw in the first half, but they don't throw the illegal contact flag on the guy draped over our WR before that last pass got to him. Smh

Another flag. Nice

We were just like the Jets fans for 17 years

Needed that. Good job AJE

Really, our guys have to point out false starts for 3 seconds now too?

And you think this will hold up against KC who now has Brown and Pacheco back? You think this will hold up against Baltimore? You think we could stop Cincy's offense? I'm not confident.

The NFL wants Cincy in the Playoffs. The Colts and Dolphins will lose today. The Broncos will lose to KC's 2nd string next week. The Bengals will beat the Steelers.

This defense and Sean McDermott are wasting the Josh Allen era

This officiating crew is the worst I've seen all year

This defense and the scheme as a whole needs a retool. It's bad

We struggle with ALL solid RB's

Well, Maye is probably done for the year now. When they take your helmet and then to the locker room, guys don't typically play the next week either.

I respect Burrow as a QB, and his final season at LSU was the greatest I've ever seen, but I have never really liked the guy. He just comes off as an arrogant turd. Everyone knew who Mike Brown was, and they even talked about it when the team was set to draft Burrow. Burrow signed his contract. He didn't have to. Now he has to deal with the person we all knew Mike Brown was from the start.

I actually don't have a problem with either of them winning it. If you go further back in this thread, you will see where I said Lamar's 39/4 is pretty amazing. I'm not going into a whine fest, my guy, I'm summarizing what the RC was saying. Talking about how if Josh wins, it's like Charles Barkley's MVP. Saying everyone knew Jordan was the best player, but Barkley's MVP was basically 2nd rate. Like Lamar should have gotten the award, but people won't vote for him just for the fact they don't want to pick the same guy all the time. Then bringing the whole race aspect into it. These same clowns also keep changing their criteria year in and year out to justify "their guy" every time. My problem, and what I called out, was the racial bias of a bunch of the hacks at ESPN. Clark, Cam, Canty, Foxworth, and others. It's also bred out of envy in some instances, especially with Cam because Josh is breaking all of his records. Both are deserving of the award, no matter who wins. Two of the top teams and both have excellent numbers. But Josh is forever carrying this team and has clearly done more this year, with less than others have at their disposal and in spite of a defense that has failed this year for the most part.

Ty Johnson gets 2 TD's in a Bills win

JA17 had 44 total TD's to Lamar's 29. INT'S or no INT'S, Josh was clearly better. He also closed out winning 6 of 7 games, leading the Bills to their 4th straight AFCE title and the #2 seed. The same idiots last year who were claiming "it's not all about the stats" are the idiots this year saying "this award should be based on the stats, and Lamar's are better Josh Allen's." Let's all shed a tear and light a candle for the injustice of it all if Lamar doesn't win. Josh will only get it because people don't want to vote for the same guy all the time, not because he's deserving. It's ridiculous.

On top of everything being stated here about Lamar and Josh, let's look at the defense behind both. Ravens - #14 overall total defense, #29 pass defense, #1 rush defense, #11 scoring defense, #13 Red Zone defense, #20 3rd Down defense Bills - #23 overall total defense, #25 pass defense, #14 rush defense, #13 scoring defense, #18 Red Zone defense, #28 3rd Down defense (tied with 3 others so it's objectively between #28-#31, the only team worse is the Panthers) The Ravens also lead the league in sacks with 52 where we are 21st with 34. That is likely to change a bit this weekend because the Ravens have already played their 16th game, but we're still 18 behind them as a team. I mention all of this to show that Josh has to do more for his team to win than Lamar does, and the Bills have the better record with wins against the two best teams in the NFL on his resume.

He's only 45 yards away. Barring injury, he will eclipse that with no problem this year. I, too, have been skeptical of Lamar as a passer, but he does look better this year throwing from the pocket. He also has 39 TD's to just 4 INT's. That's pretty amazing. In all of this talk about who should be the MVP, I still think it's Allen. Will he get it? I don't think so, just because I don't trust those holding the ballots. Allen is putting up numbers on par with what he has done the last 4 seasons, but with what is widely viewed as lesser talent on this roster. He will eclipse 40 total TD's for the 5th straight season. He still has a shot at 4,000 yds passing for the 5th straight season. You can't really ask him to do much more to carry this team, because that's absolutely what he's done for the last 5 years now.

Can we? Sure, if the defense holds up their end of the bargain. I worry about this defense against the Ravens more so than anyone. That Zone Read with Lamar and Henry is tough for any team, more or less one that has had trouble stopping the run for as long as I can remember. The Rams and Lions games, where we let Stafford and Goff completely shredded us in the passing game, makes me nervous as well. Heck, we just let Drake Maye throw for 261 yds against us and he has a bunch of bums around him. I'm not worried about the offense that much. But Baltimore's defense is better than the Rams and Lions. I don't see Josh being able to have a shootout type of game against the Lamar if our defense is just letting the Ravens march up and down the field.

Merry Christmas to all of my TBD family. May your day be full of the moments that make the holiday season so special. 🎄🎅☃️🎁

Von is not the player he once was. Neither are most players at 35. Hopefully, he can get a key pressure or get to the QB at the most necessary of moments in the Playoffs. That's what we brought him here for in the first place.