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Claypool is big, but he's got 4.4 speed to go with that 6'5" frame. Claypool isn't any kind of route technician or anything though. He kind of rounds off his Slants a bit, and doesn't really have that snap in change of direction. He does have really good body control and makes great plays along the lines, whether the sidelines or the back of the end zone. Shorter is big, but just a middling athlete. I do remember hearing he had good hands though, only dropping one pass in 114 targets at Florida. He's another intermediate to deep route guy. Hollins is another big guy with the same sort of MO as both Claypool and Shorter. Hollins' career year was 2 years ago in LV. He had 57 catches for 690 yards and 4 TD's. He did next to nothing last year in Atlanta though. Out of these three, I see probably two making the roster and one of those primarily for ST's. If we keep 6 WR's, this is whom I expect those to be: 1. Keon Coleman 2. Khalil Shakir 3. Curtis Samuel 4. Mack Hollins 5. Chase Claypool 6. Andy Isabella Then I expect them to PS Hamler, Shorter, and one of Shavers or Thompson.

Now, me being a self-proclaimed Notre Dame homer, I don't mind this move at all. I banged the table for him back during that draft. His first couple seasons were solid when he had Big Ben chucking him the rock. After that, his ego kicked in and it's been a downward spiral ever since. Still, he's only 25, the talent has been on display previously, and there is hope for redemption. Hopefully it happens here.

It's definitely an unfair advantage for the Jags, the 2nd week at least. They get a whole week to adapt where the other team comes in on a whim and has to play a game. Hopefully, it's not us going over there this year and getting screwed out of a home game like someone else mentioned.

Nice clickbait title. Well played, sir.

Nice try AI. We all know Josh is laid up with Hailee somewhere.

Or settle all of his lawsuits for various assaults

That's an insane amount of $$$ to turn down. But, if I had $$$ like an NFL owner, I would probably not be worried about it either if I just loved being around and a part of the game. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/dolphins-not-for-sale-after-stephen-ross-rejects-10-billion-offer

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I hope Beane wouldn't be the fall guy because I'm sure that McDermott full on has his hands in everything as well. I also agree with your sentiment about Mahomes and Andy Reid. I think that is the biggest difference in all of this. It's a tough place to be in because I don't hate either of them like some people want to try and portray. I haven't been one of the constant "fire this person" or "fire that person" people. That's why I say this is a make or break year because of how everything has unfolded. I don't think people quite understand what I am getting at when I say this. I think that they will get to be here in 2025 unless there is an extreme drop-off. The only way they are ousted is if they go something like 5-12 and McDermott loses the team. I do think that the way everything plays out, as I explained initially, will make or break them. If the draft, and what they did for WR group with Allen works out, they will be heralded as roster savants. If the WR's they passed on excel on their respective teams, but our WR group does not here, then the heat will be on. If they just handed KC Tyreek 2.0 (which I don't believe he is at all imo), then the heat will be on. If the rest of the players drafted look like real impact players for this team, then they will be held in high regard. If they are just more average guys, then the heat will be on. This is what I mean by make or break, that the ENTIRETY of everything that has taken place this offseason will make or break this regime. If it works out, if this looks like they've reloaded, they will be here for the foreseeable future. If the decisions look to have failed, and we handed KC another All-Pro in the process, then I think the heat is on.

They drafted Brian Thomas Jr. Zay Jones dead cap figure was also only $6.5M and they still have $34M in space after that. Jones also could have asked for his release after they drafted BTJ because he knew that he would be the odd man out between BTJ, Gabe, Kirk, and himself.

We already signed Quintez Cephus.

I could care less about hockey. Never been a fan. Reid and Tomlin have SB rings. Reid is probably the best offensive mind the game has seen the last 25 years, knowing how to maximize his guys' talents. And no, I think Reid lets Spagnuolo run his defense exactly the way he wants to run his defense. The track record of his defense is proven, as he's had a hand in 4 SB wins now.

I'm not looking for your affirmation, so The Chiefs did dismantle us in that AFCCG appearance. Even though it was close at halftime, you KNEW which way it was going to go. They dominated from start to finish. They had Allen so frustrated he was chucking the ball at people while on the ground. The 13 Second game was the next colossal flop by a McDermott led squad. It is one of THE biggest flops in Playoff history. To deny that is to live in delusion. I like how you mention nothing about how we were completely dominated by the Bengals. Out coached, out played, and ran out of our own house. Did we not just lose by a FG attempt that went wide right? Yes, yes we did. The difference this time? It was to our arch nemesis at home in the Divisional Round, and not in the SB. And our defense couldn't stop a nose bleed that game. Nothing McDermott schemed really worked, at all. We were only in the game because of Josh and the Hardman fumble at the goal line. Have we not had 3 OC's on 3 years? Yes, yes we have. I know Daboll got a HC job. There were many people at the time who said they would have rather kept Daboll than McDermott. That we should have made Daboll HC. The relationship he and Josh has been the biggest difference in what we have seen from this offense the last couple of years. The mention of the 3 OC's is talking about the constant change, and instability in that room. Josh is a generational talent, yes, and could probably run an offense himself at this point. Still, I hope Brady is the guy who brings stability and innovation back to that room for everyone else. We shall see. I'm not throwing crap at the wall. I'm speaking the truth. I believe this entire off-season is going to make or break this regime. If the guys we drafted don't look like any of them are going to be impact players, if Worthy becomes a monster in the KC offense, if our WR group ends up as bad as it looks in comparison to the rest of the NFL right now, if Coleman flops, if we are a middling team that ends up 3rd in the division while missing the Playoffs, if other WR's we passed on look good on the field for their respective teams, then this regime's seats will probably be blazing hot in 2025. It will put on full display the questionable choices they have made, as well as everything prior ending back under the microscope, and the talk will be how they are wasting Allen's prime years. And that's IF things play out on the wrong side of the "if's" just like I said before.

I understand these guys are young, and have money, and all that. At some point you would hope common sense kicks in and they would stop avoiding these places that lead to these situations. I remember when it happened to Darrent Williams, reportedly because Brandon Marshall got into an altercation in the club prior to them all leaving together. Multiple music artists shot, some killed. It's crazy. People are crazy.

Deebo is not available. It would cost the 49ers $42M. Our cap hit would also be almost $21M. This will never happen.

Half the time Simms and Esiason just took shots at each other. Now they can go argue in Hardee's every Friday morning for breakfast if they want to continue the tradition.

I fully believe that they will get 2025 as well. I think this is the year that could be what speeds up that process though if the "if's" in my original statement fall the other way. If this team falls flat, if Worthy does turn into this world beater some are acting like he is, if Josh's guys do struggle to get open for him, then I think that seat is BLAZING hot in 2025 for the both of them. And I don't hate either of them, Beane or McDermott. I have been extremely pissed at both of them for various reasons, but I know it's better than anything we saw from 1999 until 2017.

We have all seen how things unfolded the last few years. A dismantling in the AFC Championship game by KC, 13 Seconds, the flop against Cincy, and then the recreation of Wide Right. McDermott has had friction with multiple coaches because he can't stop meddling. We've had 3 OC's the last 3 years. Frazier was sent packing, McDermott officially took over the defense, and now Babich is going to be "running" things. We've had some questionable draft choices when there seemed to be better options at the time, usually involving selecting defensive players. Now, because of the way they tried to build this squad, and the unnecessary drama, we are in what Beane calls a "transition" phase. People love to talk about 2017, how we handed KC Mahomes. Beane wasn't here for that though. It was strictly a McDermott draft based off of the work Whaley and his scouts had done. That draft brought us White, Dawkins, and Milano. If not for the injuries that have derailed White's career, we could talk about the entire situation in a different manner. You can't deny that, right now, Mahomes is on his way to staking a claim at GOAT status. It is what it is. Now fast forward to 2024. Knowing what Allen needed, what this team needed, they traded with KC. With the situation that has unfolded with Rashee Rice, you have to believe KC was looking at WR. They take the WR with the fastest recorded 40 of all time. Me, personally, Worthy doesn't scare me. Yes, he's fast. But he has had some drops and the guy is lighter than my 16 year old at 165lbs. Let him get out there to get squared up by some of these LB's and S's who outweigh him by 30lbs-70lbs. I just don't think he's built to last in this league. I don't see him as Tyreek Hill 2.0 at all. Tyreek is 25lbs heavier than him and is a 4.2 guy in pads, as well as on the track. Still, if I am wrong, the Bills FO just handed KC a guy who will give us fits for years to come. It will be another black eye on this organization from something McDermott, and this time Beane, had hands in. The "run it back" mentality has bit them this time. Because we were so close in the 13 seconds game, they developed this "run it back" type of mentality. Sure, we changed a player here or there, but many of the pieces have been the same squad since then. The weight is always, squarely, on Josh's shoulders. People try to use KC as a comparison and say look at what they were able to achieve without big name WR's, or whatever else. Well, KC has Mahomes, Andy Reid scheming the offense for Mahomes (probably THE largest difference), one of the greatest TE's ever to play the game, has typically had a top tier OL, a REALLY good defense littered with talent across the board, and a DC in Spagnuolo who has been a part of 4 SB winning defenses. Gabe never developed, Edmunds never developed, Von's knee, Poyer got old, Hyde's neck injury, White constantly on IR, constantly cycling out JAG's to fill holes, constantly rolling with meh WR's (outside of Diggs, who became more trouble than he was worth), keeping together a middling OL because Josh makes them look better than they actually are, defensive instability, and have changed the guy calling the offense out 3 times in 3 years. Now, on top of that, we find ourselves in Cap purgatory and still no closer to the goal we wish to achieve. Going into the 2024 draft, a blind man could see Josh needed weapons on the outside. We had big shoes to fill in Diggs and we needed an upgrade on what Gabe Davis was in this offense. Shakir has shown promise, but he's primarily been used in the Slot. We signed Curtis Samuel, who has primarily been a Slot guy as well. After that we were left with a bunch of JAG's we already had. In the best WR class in at least 10 years, we come away with one WR. I'm not counting the camp fodder UDFA's. We drafted ONE guy. Opinions vary on that one guy. He is truly a boundary WR though. Still, you would have thought this team would have doubled up on boundary guys for the sake of giving their generational talent QB more to work with. Instead they throw all their eggs in one basket by going Safety, DT, and RB with their next 3 selections. Kirby mentioned it in another thread, and I have to concur, that this team looks to have a bottom 5 WR group right now. Until proven otherwise on the field, it is what it is. I think it is a failure, as well as a disservice to JA17, to only have come away with one WR out of this class. This doesn't mean I hate our draft, or grade it an F. I just think it's par for the course we've already seen from this regime, a course that has always seen us come up short. In the end, I think this year will be the make or break for both Beane and McDermott. To continue to do things the same way and expect different results is madness. If the players they drafted become a foundational youth movement, if you can see the results on the field as to what they were drafted for, if Samuel, Shakir, and Coleman make for a dangerous group, if we can transition on the fly like KC did a couple years ago, and if we didn't just make the KC offense unstoppable again, then they'll be around for a while. But there are A LOT of "if's" in that statement. At some point you have to pull the plug if it's not getting you any closer to what should be the goal of every franchise in professional sports, a championship. We shall see.

And yet we signed Quintez Cephus

At first I "liked" your post. Then I thought about it and removed my reaction. I thought to myself, "Nah, the Bills can't have the worst WR group in the NFL." So I went on ESPN.com and looked at EVERY roster, the ones I thought could be in a worse place. There are many you know off top that are absolutely better than us. There are only a couple that I even thought, "Maybe we're better than them? Could be a tie?" You're right. The blind homerism around here is hilarious. People trying to reason and plead their case as to why we're fine, or better off, and we don't have a need in our WR group. That we had a "great" draft. It's like a lawyer who knows his client is guilty as sin, and has a snowball's chance in hell to get off, but still puts a case together for him anyway. The only difference is the lawyer is getting paid. You guys are not. Kirby is absolutely right. In a draft like this one, the best WR draft in at least 10 years, to come away with only one guy in the 2nd and some UDFA's is an epic failure. Then watching you all plead your cases as to why we're fine, or better , is like watching people talk up guys during the drought years. Guys like CJ Ah You, Marcus Easley, Kelvin Sheppard, and Robert Foster. Like we don't have a generational talent at QB right now. Like this brass is not continually 💩'ing on him by making a single move here or there instead of going all in to give him EVERYTHING he needs. It's mind boggling to me.

Did Allen go over to the sidelines and cuss him out afterwards for the world to see? No one is saying he can't make that play. The fact of the matter is he didn't. Whether it's crap happening or him just failing miserably, it took place and it was a huge play.