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Metcalf had a big, big 'unknown' quality about his production, his body builder physique, his ability to step in and contribute right away. He wasn't a sure thing by any means and most scouting reports were all over the place on him. With the 'Hawks, he was inconsistent early in the year and to his credit, stepped it up in December. Going to a playoff calibre team with a future gold jacket QB sure helped him, no doubt.

Watch entire games, not the cut and paste marketing stuff. And draft projections before the combine and pro days are so much toilet paper. From the games I watched, Shenault is very raw as a WR. His route running is inconsistent, his blocking nonexistent. He's a dynamo with the ball in his hands. He's the textbook definition of a RB playing WR. Maybe Daboll can get creative and design an offense around that. And I wouldn't be opposed--if Shenault was a slot guy or WR4, not WR1...

And the Bills should have one or more Super Bowls. Playing that game doesn't change anything. If Samuel would have been picked at 35 (Jags) or 37 (Panthers), do you think he would have been as effective as he was at 36?

And he went in round 2 (#36) due to many of those same 'things.' Which would be fine for Shenault as well--not at 22. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/deebo-samuel?id=32195341-4d63-6097-eab1-34810e00be67

Yep, that sounds about right. Any bonus money before he was cut is his to keep. $150K for 2019 is not bad by Buffalo cost of living standards (less so by London standards). And as Gunner pointed out, not too big a haircut from his rugby days...

OK. He's probably down $50,000 to $75,000 in salary vs. what he made playing rugby. Maybe more, since we don't know exactly what he was making back home. I wonder about endorsement money, however. Don't well known and upper eschelon players make sponsor/endorsement money in those rugby leagues?

Huh? Players don't get big checks through OTA's and training camp. The get paid by weekly game checks throughout the season, unless their contract sets some other schedule (but even that is usually paid as a bonus, not salary). He might have made $10,000-$12,000 in preseason and maybe another couple thousand at OTAs (which are voluntary and unpaid, but do have a living arrangement stipend). Not a big deal. Per the CBA: First-year Player Per Diem: A first-year player will receive “per diem” payments, commencing with the first day of Preseason Training Camp and ending one week prior to the Club’s first regular season game, at the following weekly rates for the respective League Years: $850 (2011–12 League Years), $925 (2013–14 League Years), $1,000 (2015–16 League Years), $1,075 (2017–18 League Years), $1,150 (2019–20 League Years). As an unknown walk on, it's very doubtful that Wade had anything more than a boiler plate contract as far as any other bonus payments...

£150,000 = $195,000 USD Isn't that greater than $8,000 x 17 = $136,000?

This thread is WAY premature. Re-post it after FA and the draft, when we'll know more about the make-up of the 2020 roster....

I want 'Tre to be locked up, but I also sort of side with DeAndre Hopkins, in that he's a zone CB, first and foremost. And big buck contracts given to CBs typically go to the man cover / island guys. Oh well, its going to happen, so it will be good to have him as long as we continue to play McD's scheme...

The two-year contract he signed became null and void when the Bills terminated it (cut him). He signed a new contract when he went on the PS (there was a picrure of his parents coming over from England for that). With a few exceptions, the highest paid practice squad players league-wide make in the range of $20,000 per week, so $320,000 to $400,000 per season. It's doubtful that Wade is in that group--so a much lower salary than he was making playing rugby... This link says he's making the $8,000 minimum: https://www.espn.com/rugby/story/_/id/27950435/why-rugby-stars-valentine-holmes-christian-wade-took-pay-cut-play-nfl

You realize that contract went away when Wade was cut? Right? He makes the fixed weekly rate that practice squad guys get. Which is bupkis vs. what he was making at rugby..

Or not...

Under a tree...

If McShay says it...it's wrong.

As do I. That 1995 to 2000 TV stint certainly helped get him a gold jacket. And of course the last 20 years of TV work since didn't influence anything--he was already in I had season tix throughout his playing career and never saw him once influence the outcome of a game against the Bills. Four sacks in 12 playoff games doesn't burnish his Canton creds either, IMO. Hall of the very good...

Agreed. Mahones landed in the perfect situation, with the perfect coach and perfect mentor...

Using Buffalo to drive up the price from Washington, me thinks...

Above ground is good enough for me...

He got hit at the same time he threw it. Looked like it caused it to rainbow...

Sacks became an official stat in 1982, his second year in the league. He made All Pro three times, the same number of years he had double digit sacks. He was a very good player--who should have had to buy a ticket to get the Hall, just like the rest of us...

Plenty old to have watched Long in person. And plenty old enough to disagree... Howie Long Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk ▼ Sfty AV Career 179 151 2 84 0 73 0 0 10 5 0 84.0 119 1983* 23 RAI LDE 75 16 16 0 2 0 0 13.0 14 1984*+ 24 RAI LDE 75 16 16 0 2 4 0 12.0 17 1985*+ 25 RAI LDE 75 16 16 10.0 18 1992* 32 RAI LDE 75 16 16 9.0 12 1986* 26 RAI LDE 75 13 12 0 2 0 0 7.5 8 1990 30 RAI LDE 75 12 11 0 1 1 0 6.0 6 1993* 33 RAI LDE 75 16 16 6.0 10 1982 22 RAI LDE 75 9 5 5.5 4 1989* 29 RAI LDE 75 14 10 0 1 0 0 5.0 9 1987* 27 RAI LDE 75 14 14 0 2 0 0 4.0 11 1988 28 RAI lde 75 7 6 1 73 0 73 3.0 3 1991 31 RAI LDE 75 14 13 1 11 0 11 3.0 6 1981 21 OAK 75 16 0 0.0 1 Plus 4 sacks in 12 playoff games And guess which former Bill this is? Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk ▼ Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 133 128 3 32 1 26 31 21 0 8 0 0 78.0 483 334 149 98 60 72 2006* 29 BUF DE 94 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 4 0 1 0 0 14.0 53 35 18 12 22 13 2005 28 BUF DE 94 16 16 1 0 0 0 5 2 0 1 0 0 12.0 71 54 17 14 7 2003 26 BUF DE 94 16 16 1 6 0 6 3 1 0 1 0 0 11.5 60 37 23 15 10 2009 32 BUF DE 94 16 16 1 26 1 26 4 3 0 1 0 0 10.0 56 34 22 17 17 9 2002 25 BUF DE 94 16 16 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 8.5 52 34 18 12 7 2004 27 BUF DE 94 16 16 0 0 0 0 4 5 0 3 0 0 8.0 73 46 27 9 9 2001 24 BUF DE 94 16 11 0 0 0 0 2 6.5 42 31 11 7 4 2007* 30 BUF DE 94 16 16 0 0 0 0 5 5 0 1 0 0 6.5 57 45 12 7 15 10 2008 31 BUF de 94 5 5 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 19 18 1 5 6 3

Well, he's been in since 2000. So I guess that counts as eventually...

Yes indeed. Long's post-career TV career absolutely has elevated his standing. Same with Jimmy Johnson...

Exactly. And yet it happens, over and over and over. So much for analytics when it comes to crunch time. OTOH, I was impressed with the KC d-line / pass rush in the second half. They won the game as much as Mahones did...