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Question for the board: Which would you rather have--Dobbins or Clyde Edwards-Helaire? I've not spent much time looking at Dobbins, but I'd love if we got Edwards-Helaire...

Hamburg's Twinkie gauge might be running low tonight...

Wegman's in Hamburg at 5:45 am today (I wonder how their TP aisle looks now): https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/14/i-went-to-wegmans-at-547-a-m-saturday-oh-my-god/

Good choice for spokesman. Right now, Ed's probably held in higher esteem in the deep south than God Almighty...

Sign of the times. This was today at the Surfine supermarket in Eden. Guess which aisle and win a cupie doll... Not as bad as these folks, however: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/03/10/coronavirus-australia-family-buys-12-year-supply-toilet-paper/4985534002/

Wrong? OK, Nostradamus. You win. I can refute every one of your points with just as much "right," but that would be a waste of my time. Especially the "no regression" one, which the NFL routinely makes happen once more game film is available. The proof will be in the W-L column. But "flat out wrong". GMAB...

They're turning the falls off? Boy, that must be a big...

Take 2. Much better for Higgins. Very interesting... (not any better for Lamb and Jeudy)

I did some quick back of the envelop calcualtions using the combine data and Football Outsiders "speed score" formula and came up with this: Lamb and Jeudy's score was somewhat surprising as well.

I can think of half a dozen reasons, but have fun getting your expectations up...

Can you post the speed score list? Asking for a friend...

Personally, any talk of Super Bowl in the next two years--with the roster as configured right now--seems unrealistic. We still don't know what we have at QB. Our TE room is mostly potential, rather than known quantity. Our running game relys on one undersized RB, with no backup. We have big holes at DE, LB, CB2. And the team was injury free at a historic rate in 2019, suggesting the odds might revert back to the mean going forward. Can Beane plug most of those holes, hope the team stays healthy and suffer no regression in current player performance at the same time? That's a mighty, mighty lift, IMO. Its nice to dream, but making the playoffs and winning a game is the most realistic outcome I'm holding out for right now...

That question needs to be re-phrased as "would you sign A.J. Green or Trent Williams at [fill in blank] million dollars for [fill in blank] years?..."

Sixth? Rk Year Player Pos Age AV School College Height Wt 40YD ▲ Vertical BenchReps Broad Jump 3Cone Shuttle Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) 1 2020 Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama College Stats 5-11 188 4.27 42.0 131 2 2020 Quez Watkins WR Southern Miss College Stats 6-0 185 4.35 36.5 125 7.28 4.36 3 2020 Denzel Mims WR Baylor College Stats 6-3 207 4.38 38.5 16 131 6.66 4.43 4 2020 Darnell Mooney WR Tulane College Stats 5-10 176 4.38 37.0 9 124 5 2020 Devin Duvernay WR Texas College Stats 5-10 200 4.39 35.5 123 7.13 4.20 6 2020 Antonio Gibson WR Memphis College Stats 6-0 228 4.39 35.0 16 118 7 2020 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame College Stats 6-4 238 4.42 40.5 19 126 8 2020 John Hightower WR Boise St. College Stats 6-1 189 4.43 38.5 122 7.07 4.21 9 2020 Justin Jefferson WR LSU College Stats 6-1 202 4.43 37.5 126 10 2020 Isaiah Coulter WR Rhode Island 6-2 198 4.45 36.0 121 7.28 4.62 11 2020 Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama College Stats 6-1 193 4.45 35.0 120 4.53 12 2020 Jeff Thomas WR Miami College Stats 5-9 170 4.45 36.5 125 13 2020 Tyrie Cleveland WR Florida College Stats 6-2 209 4.46 39.5 13 126 14 2020 Freddie Swain WR Florida College Stats 6-0 197 4.46 36.5 16 124 7.05 4.26 15 2020 Stephen Guidry WR Mississippi St. College Stats 6-3 201 4.47 34.0 125 7.31 4.46 16 2020 Jalen Reagor WR TCU College Stats 5-11 206 4.47 42.0 17 138 7.31 4.46 17 2020 Joe Reed WR Virginia College Stats 6-0 224 4.47 38.0 21 123 18 2020 K.J. Osborn WR Miami College Stats 5-11 203 4.48 37.5 18 123 7.00 4.35 19 2020 Dezmon Patmon WR Washington St. College Stats 6-4 225 4.48 36.0 15 132 7.28 4.38 20 2020 Donovan Peoples-Jones WR Michigan College Stats 6-2 212 4.48 44.5 139 21 2020 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State College Stats 6-0 205 4.50 40.0 11 128 22 2020 Trishton Jackson WR Syracuse College Stats 6-1 197 4.50 36.0 117 23 2020 CeeDee Lamb WR Oklahoma College Stats 6-2 198 4.50 34.5 11 124 24 2020 Kendrick Rogers WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-4 208 4.51 35.5 17 124 7.13 4.48 25 2020 Michael Pittman WR USC College Stats 6-4 223 4.52 36.5 13 121 6.96 4.14 26 2020 Gabriel Davis WR UCF College Stats 6-2 216 4.54 35.0 14 124 7.08 4.59 27 2020 Quartney Davis WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-1 201 4.54 35.5 28 2020 Marquez Callaway WR Tennessee College Stats 6-1 205 4.55 38.0 126 29 2020 Aaron Parker WR Rhode Island 6-2 209 4.57 26.5 12 112 6.94 4.23 30 2020 Chris Finke WR Notre Dame College Stats 5-9 186 4.57 40.0 7 31 2020 Kalija Lipscomb WR Vanderbilt College Stats 6-0 207 4.57 32.0 16 127 32 2020 Juwan Johnson WR Oregon College Stats 6-4 230 4.58 33.0 14 124 6.94 4.37 33 2020 Laviska Shenault Jr. WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 227 4.58 17 34 2020 Aaron Fuller WR Washington College Stats 5-11 188 4.59 34.0 118 7.14 35 2020 Austin Mack WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-1 208 4.59 31.5 117 4.42 36 2020 Ben Victor WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-4 198 4.60 35.0 9 128 7.10 37 2020 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty College Stats 6-4 223 4.60 36.0 22 127 7.33 4.55 38 2020 K.J. Hill WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-0 196 4.60 32.5 17 114 39 2020 Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon St. College Stats 6-4 210 4.61 36.5 9 124 7.01 4.12 40 2020 Omar Bayless WR Arkansas State College Stats 6-1 212 4.62 36.0 11 123 7.35 4.50 41 2020 Malcolm Perry WR Navy College Stats 5-9 186 4.63 36.0 10 122 7.12 4.31 42 2020 Tony Brown WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 198 4.65 33.5 14 119 7.21 4.27 43 2020 Cody White WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-3 217 4.66 35.5 120 7.19 4.52 44 2020 Jauan Jennings WR Tennessee College Stats 6-3 215 4.72 29.0 119 45 2020 Quintez Cephus WR Wisconsin College Stats 6-1 202 4.73 38.5 23 124 7.20 4.33 46 2020 Lynn Bowden WR Kentucky College Stats 5-11 204 13 47 2020 Lawrence Cager WR Georgia College Stats 6-5 220 48 2020 Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina College Stats 6-3 212 49 2020 KJ Hamler WR Penn St. College Stats 5-9 178 15 50 2020 Tee Higgins WR Clemson College Stats 6-4 216 51 2020 Van Jefferson WR Florida College Stats 6-1 200 52 2020 Collin Johnson WR Texas College Stats 6-6 222 17 53 2020 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota College Stats 6-1 206 54 2020 James Proche WR SMU College Stats 5-11 201 34.5 20 7.27 4.40 55 2020 Darrell Stewart WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-0 212 35.0 15 117 If you utilize material unique to a Sports Reference site for a tweet, an article, or for research for a broadcast or podcast, please

I like your list. It certainly priortizes the Higgins debate, even though I will be disappointed if scenario 5 is what ultimately takes place.

Drafting for need? Personally, I want the best player available, whether that's a WR, edge, DB, OL, etc. Drafting for need gets you E.J. Manuel, J.P Losman, Aaron Maybin, Shaq Lawson...

You sure that's not Laremy Tunsil?...

Wow! That's a whole different story than the unofficial numbers yesterday...

Yes. Since Brown's really a WR2 and Beasley's a WR3, a true WR1 would have helped enormously. We can all debate about who's the best pick for that WR1 job, but not about the need to fill it...

Could all the throws to Duke just as easily be a byproduct of Houston game planning to take away Brown and Beasley (know quantities) and gambling that an unknown like Williams wouldn't be a difference maker? Which, ultimately, was the correct assumption. IMO, Josh threw a lot of balls to Duke because his two primary receivers were most often covered, not necessarily because he was a 'big body'...

Well, using Beane's benchmark of Tyreek Hill as an example, how often is Hill open or making contested catches? Even NFL DBs are going to have problems with a 4.27 guy. That said, I do have some concerns with Ruggs' footwork in getting off the line right now. He has some things to work on, but his ceiling is certainly "going for it" worthy, IMO...

Ah, but is he the 22nd best player available in this draft? Or the 30th? Or the 40th? Every one of the top 50 draft candidates is a stud. But if for example, the Bills have to choose between Higgins and Chaisson (or [fill in the blank]) at pick #22, a call has to be made as to which guy provides better value. Personally, that's all this argument is about to me...

I think Ruggs may be the guy. Beane has talked about having a Tyreek Hill-type player that can score on any given play. That might also describe Lamb (but not Jeudy), but I see Ruggs as the kind of wildcard option that Daboll loves so much...

Translating "going for it": Trade up for Ruggs...

My take is there are two contingents on TSW: One who see him as the 4th best WR in this class and want to use pick #22 to get him, no matter what. And a second group who think picking him at #22 would be a reach/over-drafting based on need rather than best player available at that slot. There may even be a third group, who just don't like him as a player or fit for the Bills. Or a fourth, made up of Clemson fanboys who say he's the best thing since sliced bread. So many opinions, so little time...