truth on hold

There does seem.to be a pattern of southern Europe countries doing worse off. But greece is a a huge outlier even within that group. Agree either way theyre in for further hardship at least short term, seems they know this too and aren't as dedicated to staying in the euro as the other euro members are of keeping them. Merkel's omments like "Greek exit is the end if euro". They really want greece to stay but not because they think it's better fo greece. Beyond direct impact to euro, I think it's about power too....Germany etc having more economic influence and control throughout the region

Why?

An actual default leaves them no choice.

It's about time the lenders took the much needed write-off. A lot of this keep the patient on life support comes from lenders not wanting to take the charge.

Exactly. Keep adding debt to pay debt they can't pay....problem gets worse.

Why would anyone lend them a dime when they can't possibly grow fast enough to satisfy their existing obligations? Irrational as that sounds thats exatclty whats been going on for years.

A weak fx is a form of austerity as it limits spending, leaving Euro will require them and their lenders to actually resolve their problems and restructure. The euro mechnaism has been exposed as not being capable of dealing with insolvent members, just defers the inevitable, making it worse. To actually be viable in capital markets they need to default so they can restructure Not the euro, the Greek currency should they exit

They're talking 40% drop in currency if greece exits. Be a great time.to visit there! That's probably what they really need as a long term fix....lower currency, attractive tourism, maybe investment, effectively impose internal austerity measures. Obviously this propping up by Euro isn't fixing anything

What percent of Islam does ISIS represent? What was US role in creating the conditions for ISIS rise in the middle East and Africa? Why aren't you criticizing our key ally the Saudi's gay rights track record? -- The rights of LGBT people in Saudi Arabia are unrecognized. Saudi social mores and laws are heavily influenced by Arab tribal customs and the ultra-conservative, Sunni sect known as Wahhabism. Homosexuality and transgenderism are widely seen as immoral and indecent activities, and the law punishes acts of homosexuality or cross-dressing with imprisonment, fines, corporal punishment, capital punishment, whipping/flogging, and chemical castrations. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia In 2011, the FBI reported 1,572 hate crime victims targeted based on a sexual orientation bias, making up 20.4% of the total hate crimes for that year. Do you feel the perpetrators represent you as an American? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

Kuwait Mosque Bomber Identified as Saudi National Explosion on Friday in Kuwait City killed 27 and injured more than 200http://www.wsj.com/articles/kuwait-mosque-bomber-identified-as-saudi-national-1435486112

Correct thread as it speaks to misplaced priorities and labels of convenience.

funny you get hung up on the word "quagmire" but you're cool with led into war "based on a set of false information"

I think the 2002 bucs deserve honorable mention Sapp, rice, Brooks, barber, Lynch... they could bring it and with Brooks ability to drop back they were versatile.

I'm not so sure our talent level is that far off from theirs, except for their linebackers. Id take our front 4, their LBs, secondaries are close.

well ok there Mr. Smarty Pants. And did you also know afterwards your own government was leading us into a quagmire in Iraq based on a set of false information?

should be clear from my posts. carbon credits i dont care about fine tuning tax inequities and delaying action when the species is at risk. completely irrational to put tax ahead of extinction risk

His religious conviction is arguably more threatening than ISiS because it represents an existential threat to the species. And to think he was in the running for the most influentual energy policy role in America. So than what's your solution? You admit theres this huge problem but then offer no alternative? Clearly a government policy is needed because even most individuals who concede the issue don't see their use at the margin enough to effect the outcome. It's the collective restrictive use enforced by states that needed.

It would be without precedent in this day and age, but at some point the dam has to burst on these qb's holding teams hostage. It will take a disciplined franchise like pats or seahawks to do it

What was the point? This thread has really gotten OT

True, I was specifying why its of interest to me. Pre 9/11 I didn't even know the difference between Sunni and Shiite.

The question, and its a simple one and applies to your postings in particular, if Saudis are the main backers of the worst elements, the targets of which are often Shiite civilians, then why are Saudis our dear ally? No, just an American concerned about the ethics and logic of our foreign policy. As it doesn't seem to be, ummmm working, you know

Hold on there, I thought the justification was to rid him of weapons he didn't have. How many of his people was killing? Enough to justify the half a million our invasion killed? Otherwise killing people is a pretty weird way of saving them. Scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War found that between 151,000 to over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time. A later study, published in 2011, found that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq

"ISIS suicide bomber blew himself up at a packed Shiite Muslim mosque in Kuwait city during Friday prayers, killing at least 15 people according to local reports. ISIS released an official claim of responsibility for the Kuwait attack" Ever stop to consider these moques that are getting attacked in places like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, now Kuwait are Shiite? Shiites, the Iranian's were supposed to hate? And the Sunni extremists in the region draw their support from our "ally" the Saudis whom our own Secretary of state had this to say: "Is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money"

Is there one? Published: June 18, 2015 TABGHA: A suspected arson attack damaged a revered Christian shrine in northern Israel overnight, and police detained 16 young Jewish settlers for questioning on Thursday. The Church of the Multiplication at Tabgha on the shores of the Sea of Galilee is where many Christians believe Jesus fed the 5,000 in the miracle of the five loaves and two fish. A church adviser blamed Jewish extremists for the incident and police later said they had detained 16 youths from settlements in the occupied West Bank for questioning. http://tribune.com.pk/story/905809/jewish-settlers-detained-over-suspect-arson-attack-on-miracle-church/